Session Start: Thu May 24 20:47:49 2001 > Brad, would you be able to tell us a bit about what AC has planned for the women's market? AC = Adult Check? I just made a suggestion for a "For Women" category under Men...tired of trawling through gay stuff under "hunks" we all should do that Mistress... *** Electra has joined #wen HI Electra > Mistress, Brad told me that there definately will be a seperate "for women" section. Hi guys Hi Lectra. sorry I was spacing out > Hi, Electra! Welcome. Thank you:) oh good :) any timeframe on that? > Brad, back to earth, please. lol! :) We have some new categories planned in the very near future bonus :) and then probably a new portal similar to adultcheckgay.com for the women market and then throw some targeted advertisign $$ at it > YES! > That's incredible, Brad. Bravo for AC. I didn't even know there *was* ACGay, lol And then we'll fly everyone to AC for a big party :) > LOL woohoo If I may show my ignorance to the topic... is there a solid market for women or is it something that is growing? I'm really unfamiliar with it Yay!! Aussies included? lol great stuff! we will start filling the category!! Yeah adultcheckgay.com is pretty new, but it's going to be taking off. If you guys design good male sites you'll definitely want to make some more because Ted is going to start spending some $$ > sand, it's definately in the early stages of growth. *** SusieS has joined #wen hey hey > Brad, and there will be a ban on gay sites being listed there? > Hi, Susie Welcome! oh most definitely > Thank you. ok, thanks Sand...:) thanks for the invite *** Annieb has joined #wen The "for women" set of categories will be just for ladies, no gay stuff. That's what I like to see :) Hi SusieS =) > It's one of the tough things about this market. hi yipppeeeeeeeeeeee alright each of us will have ten done by the end of the month ;o) Hi Susie!!!!!!!!!! > Hi, Annie. Now that the categories are locked that is much easier Hi SusieS hi Sandra > Brad, so true about locking the categories. very cool lol, quote cj - "no pooholes!" ROTFL! lol Hi Annie > Brad, we'll have to get together and discuss things because I want to really promote this on Lady Lynx... and I'd like to open a section on WEN for AVS discussions. wow I am impressed!! a win for the ladies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we can celebrate tonight! > Absolutely "no poo holes" may I ask what were talking about? > Adult Check is goint to have a special entry "for women" with only "for women" sites. Sounds great Sandra. Are you going to be in Las Vegas for the tradeshow? > goint - going quote my husband - "Yahoo buckaroo!" :) > No, sorry I won't. Maybe we can talk on the phone one of these days. oh well seeing how adult check hates me anyway LOL guess I wil be out of that one > I'd really like to see everyone getting behind this. they don't seem to like my sites that's all and when I email and ask repeatedly get no answer so I gave up on them about 6 months ago this is great timing. i'm really focusing on avs these days. and i really want to do womens sites but have been frustrated with category limittions > Brad, can we define what you think of as "for women". So if I had a site with couples, that could qualify for the 4women section? Susie: I'm sorry you feel that way. The Support Department is much better than it was before. I would love it if ou'd try us again yeah that would be in the "For Women - Hardcore" category IMO, what do you think? AC is LA area? > yes, TiBo. well brad anything is possible LOL I will see what I can do can we have that category working by tomorrow? ;o) ;;o) lol > Susie, I found it best to call and talk to a reviewer. > LOL Sus. :-) i have couples pics that aren't really hardcore...more foreplay *** Electra has left #wen > Brad, great. The idea of having different categories in the 4women section would be great. yes AC is in Panorama City not by tomorrow, but I'm going to try to push it through as fast as I can there are a lot of things that have to be edited to add new categories, that's why I'm doing a bunch at once > Time to get those sites made up. foreplay is cool too :) > Good idea. Are you in the AC area TiBo? the LA area I maen argh, can't type > It's all the women, Brad. LOL will you be sorting the already-listed sites to see if they can moved to the new womens section? Ok Brad if you don't mind me asking just so I know what are the standards now? No. In western New York actually. > Or can we request a site be moved? I've got atleast one Gold that would be perfect for the new section. Mistress: I haven't thought that part out ... maybe we will go through and email the webmasters and ask them if they'd like to move their site :) You can definitely request that a sit eget moved i'm down the block from AC practically...maybe I should apply for a job :) > Brad, will do. *** RobP has joined #wen > Hi, RobP. Susie: Shoot me an email at: brad@adultcheck.com and I can answer your question better with some URLs, etc. maybe sandra can work with me to get one through so I know what is needed now Evening Sandra > Susie, be happy to. sure thing brad > I think we'll start an AVS workshop on WEN. thanks sandra need to send me an icq because I think I lost ya > We can help each other with suggestions. that would be cool Sandra > 128858 * susanna is rubbing hands together.. lots of for women sites coming right up! Great idea Sandra :)) > LOL Sus. please do...i think we should really push AVS in womens porn ooo cool i have to doing way terrible with avs lately I did a for women talk on plr the other night and sent them all to wen for resource stuff so should be getting some new peeps there > Brad, you've really helped to inject a lot of excitement in this small community. I'm always happy to excite a bunch of women :) > Susie, great. Is it archived? lol lol me too geejay... women are tight wads.. is there a female version of that saying? LOL they want their moneys worth and they want alot of variety it is on plr the night you and gigi were on sharkies > LOL Brad. He sure picked up on the line I handed him. LOL I try. :) > Susie, ok. > :-) > Now all we have to do is get out there and track down some good content. Susie I am out of the loop with Plr... Do they have an announce thing like Kaiser does? yeah jayman does the annoucements I think I am going to take pictures Sandra... before I am old and grey that is LOL errm or am I already...ohhhh shucks... > :-) Please get me my cowboys, ok? I never get any, I guess i'm not on that mailing list lol, I'd love to have a go, but my options are limited in a town of only 800 people, hehe there is a cowboy at ounique..but he is decidedly gay looking Susie on icq? Brad since the for women is a new category can we use some less than new content? I will find out susanna > Sus, I've seen him. Someone already has made a cowboy site with him. who sandra? I haven't even thought that far ahead Susie > It's on Lady Lynx. > :-) vicki found a site with an incredible cowboy... wooo doggie... no cock even... damn he was sweet whoooooo I live in Miami, there are tons of hot guys down here, but it would mean going outside!! Cropping sometimes helps improve a gay-ish pose I mean he didnt take it all off I am sure he has a cock LOL > Brad, when can we start submitting sites? :-) geejay its not a pose I was referring to the fresh photo content the couples stuff Yikes...outside what's that? I really need to get off my butt and put up sites using the forwomen content I shot > Rob, or else put it up for sale. :-) Annie can I come live with you? please please pretty please LOL hehe was going to say that Sandra :) > LOL YOu can submit sites now if you want, but the new categories won't be up for al ittle while yeah you do RobP susanna, I know, but I hate to waste pics and if I end up with headshot so be it > Brad, kewl. lol Sandra.. could do that too.. Was a good shoot.. Gwen did it, then proceeded to have a couples shot with his wife I know geejay I know I buy tons of content...sometimes the gapping butt hole shots just go in the trash for sale > Email me, I'm looking for exclusive. :-) ;o) *** YNOTBob has joined #wen > Sus, pooholes are baddddd on our site. RobP that is how it all should be going now... a couple arrives you shoot the man you shoot the woman then the couple... ITS A NO BRAINER > YNOTBob, welcome. Thank you Sandra Hey Bob hey sand man of course...I don't even like gaping twats on women...even for hardcore sites...it's too yucky for me who said anything about pooholes LOL hello YNOTBob > Susie, blame it on cj. LOL hiya susanna yeah but susanna you'll be surprsied how many men back out because they are afraid you'll try to get them to do gay stuff Ill do gay stuff with women > But if you tell them that you have a select list of buyers.. that might help. lol lol I can imagine... all the stuff I buy the guys are not all gay I am sure... oh wait you were talking to susanna LOL sheesh hehehe hahaha Yeah yeah ynot bob how are ya > Bob, hon, that's not what we want. LOL good thank you SusieS what do you want Sandra? > Straight men. gotcha here I am, rock me like a hurricane > Older straight men. Would love to do a "Bear" type straight site. no kidding Sandra what does that entail? I want a richard gear type site LOL ok color me stupid but in a solo shot how can you tell straight from gay? > Getting some Sean Connery types to pose nude. I think i am going to come to you and we will set up a studio and advertise for some guys gotcha mmmm... all in the look sandman *** YNOTBob has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) > sand, the posses. Most gay shoots use twinks obviously gay ahh ok i agree sand man...it's just sometimes the guy does something overtly gay very young and skinny is not good yep, tired of the 'young and smooth' look.. gimme a real bloke anyday :) and wearing any kind of leather contraption ;o) really sus.... hell I'm fat and old..LOL personally, the only way to be sure is put him with a woman sickly is more like it in most cases.. even though straight wear stuff I am sure but its a gay look preferablly with is tongue buried somewhere interesting > It's like the one justice said about pornography... he couldn't define it, but he knew it when he saw it. Most women can't describe the "gay look" but they know it when they see it. even one not neccessarily good looking...long as he has a sexy quality that shows through the pics :) those leather harnesses are death ... yup lol confidence, smile, hard cock sometimes I'd love to do a chubby boy site but find the guys! My hubby is chubby :) > lol Annie. well ladies, it's been fun ... but I need to go pack my bags for my trip ... i love chubby guys don't think he'll pose thoguh... lol hubby is chubby... cute... maybe a great name for a site > Brad, thank you so much for attending. thanks brad lol have a good time...thanks, Brad > I'll be in touch next week. see it's ok for us, but not them, lol anytime ... it was nice talking to you have a good Holiday look for an email from me by next week sometime thanks brad :) bye *** Brad_Estes has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) > Well, that was extremely interesting. very :) > Some of the other AVS programs are coming out with "for women" areas. thanks for saving us sandra letting us know who he is I knew the name not where he was from > I believe it's Net Verifier is coming out with LadyVerifier. adult verifier already has a category > Sus, that's ok. :-) *** MissGwendolyn has joined #wen > geejay, but it's filled with "gay" sites. Hi MissG. Hello Hi MissG i'm a little concerned with time frame. i don't want to hold up production waiting for someone to get going > Him MissGwen. Welcome. i'm going to change that. single-handedly if i have to > geejay, AC will make this happen. well, can always build then get them moved when it fires up > I'm going to get one of my Golds moved over and atleast two more Golds built. I've seen a lot of places with womens categories fill up with gay sites...tommys bookmarks for one > tommy has let it get away from him? Hmmmmmm i don't think we're producing enough womens sites to convince link lists owners that we're viable > I'll have to ask him about that. I think Foxy does the reviews for that section. > There's always Lady Lynx. LOL I agree with SusieS ac is hard to get into I know JJJ's and Hardbody and GoPostal TGP's try to keep a ladies cat and womens pleasures too :) > I'm working on something that will bring a huge influx of traffic to Lady Lynx. in what way? but we don't get enough listings so one of my commitments is to try to produce at least once a week. so alot of it is really gay Sandra question for you snake has one too called dude thumbsw > Susie, you go girl. :-) thumbs > Sure, Sus. I think a reason for the lack of women's sites is the lack of female surfers (or perceived lack thereof) do you have a really comprehensife quick list sort of like thelinksmachine.com for places to submit 4 womens sites too? no lack of femail surfers nile > It's only perceived. They *are* out there. sive it's a chicken vs the egg issue *** Guest36564 has joined #wen LOL been typing email way too much lately lol if there are not enough sites to attract women > Sus, at WEN there's a list of sites that have "for women" sections. Exactly geejay. vicious circle...women's categories filled with gay stuiff = less women surfers ( probably died of unrequited lust..) less women surfers, less percieved interest from women... > Hi, Guest.Wanna sign in? yes... When I buy content I think, okay... what is going to give me the most bang for the buck... Hi, Sandra...Its me, Lisa;> hi lisa Hiya Ya'll...I actually figured out how to get here! > Mistress, great line..... "unrequited lust" .... it's what we are out to do battle against. Yay! > Hi, Lisa. lol I must admit I removed forwomen from my three linklists for lack of submissions, but that was sometime ago But I can't see my name ;[ Rob we have to get organized There's just more good male-oriented content available, and I that the traffic will convert if I put it up. Rob did you let us know you had a for women cat??? LOL > Rob, send me the info and I'll put you on Lady Lynx's "Thank you" Page. I think link lists are not going to be my focus though... unless they allow softcore that is ;o) i feel like its a battle ... trying to get for women sites taken seriously lol Susie.. Remember I was around a long time ago on WEN ;o) agreed geejay but we just won a battle thanks Sandra.. will do that geejay, it is...Think about it...the largest sites are historically owned by men... > I'm going to encourage people to submit only softcore to Lady Lynx. niles, i hear you, but I can't convert hardcore worth a damn and teen forget about it, but womens sites convert like crazy for me geejay: I think developing a links list (or an AVS???) with good traffic for women's sites would be a good start. ok what are we calling softcore for womens sites? > geejay, we are making great strides in the last few years. WebAir has assured me they will move my virtual account over to my colo tomorrow so I'm guessing the Weekend for the PSI4Women list being back up. *** playful has joined #wen ah made it > Hi, Playful. Mature and gay teen convert really well for me. hi ya Sandra hi playful no offense to the men here, but I think the "big guys" look at for women stuff as kinda not worth the effort softcore = anything you wouldn't want your young kids to see, lol > Niles, have you ever been to Lady Lynx? I still alow a soft cock in a pic... is everyone else cropping those or blurring those? Tibo I have had a transfer problem too porn for women has been down since thurday of last week they assure me it will be back up tomorrow but it is killing me after all...that's the priciple behind using softcore, really. increased sales are a side-effect :) > Mistress, yes. I feel your pain SusieS. I've never been to http://www.ladylynx.com/ before, checking it out right now. Hi Playful! > Niles, thank you. sorry,...hardcore = anything you don't want your young kids to see I meant hi sandman and Susanna softcore = you wouldn't be too worried if your kids see it. > LOL Does anyone have a comment on whether "Fetish for Women" converts better or not? Does anyone have questions for us? those not already doing for womens sites can we convert you? do you have content or would you be willing to give 4 women a try? AVS seems to be a great opportunity here...always looking for that empty category i just transferred all my sites to a dedicated at bluegravity. huge pain in the ass > Lisa, 4women sponsors are my second biggest source of income. I'm still trying to get a grip on traffic flow, lol > AVS being the first... but with AC and their new system they will both grow. *** Shannon has quit IRC (QUIT: User exited) > Traffic is the bain of all our existances. Isn't lack of choice in sponsors a major obstacle also? susanna: how do you make your women's sites different from your men's sites? (ie. different copy style, etc) BTW, for the doubters, I make good money off women Lisa... I think fetish 4 women sites do well... there are not many of them... > Rob, there are some very good sponsors, and many more coming online. can I ask how many sites you have geejay? *** Shannon has joined #wen > wb Shannon. Thanks > :-) Sandra, I meant more do you find that fetish tends to convert for female surfers better than say, a more vanilla type of for women site? Been lost with the kids :) ;> << Yes Niles... different style...there are subtleties...we can all comment on that maybe? > Lisa, I don't know. I only do straight "men" sites so haven't really gotten into the fetish end... Sorry...Sussnna answered my question... about 90 total and only 11 womens sites, but about 25-30% of cash is from womens sponsors Lisa I wish there was a truely kinky for women site ;o) Aha! > I wonder... do women really have many fetishes, except in the BDSM arena? *** Lisa has joined #wen most of the sites on the net have nice tours... same back ends... I am picky that's great geejay :) Well, I only have myself to go by...lol...BUT... well sandra that could be a good question to ask on our sites Woo Hoo. I just won an Internext Tic. Now I guess I GOTTA go. =) good question Sandra way to go tibo I notice that Lady Lynx uses some alternative sponsors (ie. Chocolate for Lovers, recordedbooks.com)... What was the reason for using these sponsors instead of traditional pay sites? > Hi, Lisa... is this a second Lisa? ^5 Tibo I dont think we would call a fascination with a mans hands and forearm a fetish... I don't convert much...don't think I get enough traffic volume yet.. 95% of all fetishists are men hey sandra...guess so, if there's another lisa in here cross marketing does very well on womens sites niles Must be a second Lisa cuz I'm too mirc illiterate to have my name show up...lol its me;> hahha i just did a whois and saw that ;) SusieS: but does it do better than promoting membership sites? Hi, Lisa...You the Aussie? > Niles, if you'll notice, I've got a lot of regular for women sponsors. I'm trying out the "recordedbooks" ad to see if I can get some mainstream money. NOt working right now. lisa, try typing /nick `Lisa` my approach to womens sites is to make the colors soft and attractive, get pics that are very nice quality or show genuine looking people who don't look like bored drug addicts yup indeedy :) won't work if there's already a lisa but that lol geejay that's not lisa, it's lisa with `'s niles it can it is always to good to have some other stuff on there oh ok :) also no women staring at the camera yeah, I hate that.. women in high heels? its a stretch for me Why don't you like it when women stare at the camera? I wear my gardening shoes to bed actually LOL the models should look like they are enjoying themselves nope...didn't work ;[ its OK...I'm the Lisa from NY used a series the other day that was good except for one pic with the woman looking in the camera you wear shoes to bed??? so I didn't use that one.. Niles the focus is on the woman... we want focus on the couple or man > Niles, because they are playing to the man supposedly watching them. we dont want the mans head cut off yes no headless males that is my pet peeve a missing manhead Oh, I understand. Content with the couple actually looking at each other without closing their eyes would be nice, too we like to feel like were watching through someones bedroom window, lol Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what does he need this head for... LOL Susanna ...lol > LOL Sus. A FRIGGEN KISSSSSSSSSSSSSS making a site soon somethign like Porn Kiss LOL kissing is like the rarest act in porn I think it that we need to feel there is some genuine chemistry happening, not just posing for the camera i pay extra for kissing Reminds me of the joke...Know why men whine?...Cuz the gag isn't tight enough... > One thing you have to say.. this group has some extremely original ideas. Y'all type too much! I'm trying to catch up. one.. two... three... stop typing. ;-) yeah that would denote actually likeing the person poking you geejay... porn stars detach I think LOL Lisa geejay...kissing is very intimate > TiBo, the log will be on WEN tomorrow. lol, the lot I used the other day had kissing :) i would pay for content of just people kissing, fondling...foreplay stuff From what I've gathered from my surfers, women like to see a relationship building betwen couples from strt to sex What about stories for content? Do women like stories? Oh. Cool Sandra` =) > :-) love them Alot of my pictures have kissing Niles, I adore stories! > Niles, YES :) > Take a series of pics and build a site around it. if I have to I crop it to focus on the kissing Those really intricate plots...where the sex is steamy, but not THE plot Stories with pics are great targets for womes. > For a great example of something creative that way, do a search at Lady Lynx on "cleopatra" yup that is what I do has anyone used cross marketing of books (mainstream) effectively? the crop is my most valuable tool > Rob, I make a few bucks a month selling erotica from Amazon. I get a few book sales, not many mine too...err...oh, you meant cropping pics > They only pay a very small percentage. geejay its a fetish maybe? LOL lol hehehe my fetish is BUYING men pics... just cause I can LOL yes...crop...did i say crop...oooh yes CROP What about promoting sex toys on women's sites? Do you think it would work? heh hon what ya doing? using the crop on this set of men here.... > Yes, to sex toys. geejay, I wish you could see my nick on ICQ...lol > Check out WEN's resources for good toy stores. and sexy cloths for real women oh yeah baby...now we're getting to it! > http://www.womenseroticanetwork.com > just a little plug LOL :) lol geejay... "whip me, beat me!" richly deserved plug....it's invaluable exactly Annieb I have seen leather in larger sizes... not said that way I have seen lace for the real woman too > thank you, geejay. > Now let's get some discussions going on the board like this. I was reading the old Topniche WEN the other day. Heh heh. (I'm just weird that way) Looking at the WEN webmaster's site now... > So poor TiBo can follow along. LOL And I think women , at I do, like the momentum to build...not just immediate genitals on display... Sandra plug away!! we all plug you too ;o) Yeah. I read slow. > TiBo, it's still there? yeah i don't get to post there as much as I would like but I do go by and read every couple of weeks but now I am getting back to the boards so will be there more extended tease :) Sure is Sandra` there are very few places to buy sexy cloths for big size, not just panites but dress yes, guest, exactly...it's the same old story from bedroom to internet...foreplay! yup..."foreplay" > Sus, thanks. WEN is a labor of love. dress etc, I'm not fat but at 5 7 and 170 lbs i'm never gonna fit in a size 5 > Annie, I've found quite a few large size shops online. Annieb, I have some links for ya...fetwear, too Sandra this may be selfish but I would LOVE to have the posts on wen emailed to me...any chance we can find a way? I had to resist the temptation to post 28 messages so I could be post #1000. =) =) I mean a script or something If you were going to promote a mainstream AVS to women, where would you put your advertising money? (ie. TV, Radio, magazines, banner ads) > Sus, I think the script may be able to do that. Let me check, ok? womens magazines > Figuring out Search Engines. cool lisa > Mistress, I've wondered about advertising Lady Lynx in Playgirl. I wonder what it would cost. that would for me bring me there more if I knew the topics of discussion... for others I think it would remind them of wen... dunno...hang on, brb saw something in AWF the other day... the ladies site i'm planning is going to kinda like a newletter thing is playgirl online at all? Thanks all. radio would be cool too. i've heard that adult check ad...all they have to say is it's for women too Playgirl has its own paysite. > Sus, they were.... but I joined and it was a con. Niles, if I had $$$s to spend on marketing sex to women I'd spend half on buying small latenight TV spots... it does? shit ... url is ? They got in trouble awhile ago though playgirl is a gay site...what a rip! Guest: You mean like 'Miss Cloey'? happens too much in sites for women...then they wonder why they make no money > Yep... "Give us your CC number and we won't charge it" ... they did. yup...but with hunky men...posing..then the url I was inside queenerotic... people I suggest you ask for a pass to go inside...it is a really well done site PlayGirl was one of those ErosVillage sites. Queen erotica is a wonderful site, but I can't seem to convert it. > Sus, I completely agree. They have done a fabulous job on that site. I liked queen erotic but I wonder if they have enough content to recur The inside needs to grow a bit though. keep trying shannon See, women are natural shoppers...but we want value for our $$$s if you can go inside...find something that is unique... sell it that way > Yep, I agree that they need to grow. you do reviews heh shannon? yes you have been in then? thats why i like the avs...it's not just the one site, but a whole network that can be relied to help convert and recur can't find it..can't remember what it was, but it had a URL..