Session Start: Wed Jun 13 19:55:23 2001
*** Now talking in #WEN
*** Topic is 'WEN - Marketing to Women'
*** Set by OzMistress on Wed Jun 13 19:34:42
> Hi. :-) 
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> Hi, Sus. 
<susanna> evening
> Sus, can you ICQ ppl about where we are? 
<susanna> huge crowd I see ;o)
<susanna> sure
> teeming throng
> ty, hon. 
> Snoops still has her workshop going on, so I'm there and here. But it's slow. 
<susanna> oppps not tammie ;o)
> Tammie? 
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<Guest83217> oz mistress
> Now you're a guest? 
<Guest83217> I forgot to do my nick
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> You came in as susanna... now your Guest83217
<susannas> yeah someone has susanna on this server
> Ah, ok. 
> You can be susannas`
<susannas> I am susannas
<susannas> ;o)
> Ah, ok.
> duh. 
> Hopefully Dokk will get his T1 fixed. 
> This has to be costing him and other a lot of money. 
<susannas> I hear ya
<OzMistressBRB> Hi gals :)
> Hi, Mistress. 
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> Well, what ya want to chat about? 
> Here's a tip... sign up for http://www.mallcom.com and start promoting their videos. 
> I'm going to post the directions on WEN to show you how to set it up so it has a 4women entrance page. 
<OzMistress> Oh good idea :)
<susannas> okay I icqed everyone on my list
> I got a letter from the owner complimenting me on how well I'm doing selling them... not the 4women vids, haven't marketed them yet, but the other niches. 
*** OzMistress sets mode: +o Sandra`
*** OzMistress sets mode: +o susannas
> take a look at http://www.xxxvideos4adults.com/ and you'll see the main storefront if you enter and a list of the optional front ends on the index.html page. 
> ty Mistress. :-) 
<susannas> just on the phone
> np
<OzMistress> is it just me or is there no for-women front end?
> I've got the instructions... 
> just got them from Dom the other day... 
> will post the info on WEN
<OzMistress> okay, ta
> np
<susannas> okay back
> I'm hoping that Safe Sex Mall will get their new site done. 
> Love 'em, but the site really needs some sprucing up. 
<susannas> http://www.couples-sex.com/videostore
<susannas> just set it up today
<OzMistress> yes, it does...the design is offputting..(ssm)
<susannas> have to get it linked on all my sites
<OzMistress> very nice sus!
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> I'm averaging about 12 to 15 on each sale. 
<susannas> LOL  its exactly like Sandras
<Guest51994> i made it!!
<Guest51994> doh
> Got an order for 150 the other day. 
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<susannas> heh CJ
<cj> yay i made it!
<OzMistress> 150! farout!
> Hugs, cj.
<OzMistress> hi cj :)
<cj> we made it out of bed!!
<susannas> we? hmmm hmmm ;o)
> Yipee.. :-) 
<OzMistress> lol, lazy bugger!
<OzMistress> 11am and all..
<cj> december and me are the 'we' susanna :-)
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<Guest61253> different beds lol
<Guest61253> doh
<Guest61253> ok my irc is screwing up
<susannas> ah well thought maybe there was a juicy story for you to tell us
<Guest61253> heh heh
<susannas> since the gangs all here and all LOL
<susannas> most everyone is offline on icq
<susannas> so 
> okay, Snoops workshop is over. 
> cj, why don't you spam us up a bit with what you're doing? 
<Guest61253> okies, lemme spam my icq list first :-)
> lol
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<OB_Rox> Hey all!
> Hi, OB. 
<OB_Rox> I'm here... damn those morons on the freeway ;-)
<OzMistress> hi OB
<cj> hi ob!
<OB_Rox> cj girl how are ya?
<cj> good!
> I love my commute. I either just roll over in bed or walk to the foot of my bed where my desktop is. 
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<Guest98165> except i'm about to be known as guest again
<Guest98165> fuckit
<Guest98165> i lost my cj password
> What's happening, cj? 
<OB_Rox> I'd love to have that setup again, Sandra
<OzMistress> lol, try a different nick
> try cj-
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<OB_Rox> cj you're not using IRC?
<cj-> yeah, mirc
> We only have IRC... no java
<OzMistress> It's the server..it's set up for both irc and java
> If I get enough requests, I'll have Dokk set up a javachat. 
<OB_Rox> oh!  that's right...  so you need a password with your nick, cj?  did you set it up that way?
<cj-> yeah lol
<cj-> its cool... please just refer to me as cj-
<cj-> i'll be offended if you ignore my -
<OB_Rox> LOL you shouldn't do those things when you're drunk, woman!
<OzMistress> lol
<cj-> stoned more like it lol
<OB_Rox> we'll ignore your DASH, but as a woman, we must celebrate your SLASH  hahaha
<cj-> wow no one is on icq
> lol
<cj-> hahahahha ob
<OzMistress> hehe
> duh
> you girls are sooooo bad. :-) 
<cj-> hey can I share a site i was sent last night with everyone?
<OB_Rox> YEs, we are ;-)
> Sure. 
<OB_Rox> yes, definitely cj
<cj-> i got this email from one of our affiliates...
<cj-> extract...
<cj-> It is unfortunate that after 9 months your program has not been giving a single payoff. My site Faces 'n' Bodies located at  www.redlighthost.com/gay/facesnbodies  contains at least 16 of your banners located on each of the 9 galleries and 6 of the slideshows along with the Linkpage.
<cj-> My site has been updated today including 2 of your banners. The next update should be in about 6 to 8 weeks and a decision will have to be made then about keeping or removing your banners.
<cj-> Since September 2000 my site has received over 112,000 visitors.
<cj-> I will be using a bit of patience and hope for the best.
<cj-> end extract
<cj-> so... i looked at the site
<cj-> and i counted firstly how many free pics
<OB_Rox> and it's ugly
<cj-> 1000+
<cj-> and its ugly
<OB_Rox> LOL
<cj-> with more free swaps than i've ever seen
<cj-> AND
> looking at it now
<cj-> he has his purve banner linked to group hardcore!
<cj-> but aside from that part... i gave him the obvious advice
<OB_Rox> jesus h christ, did you tell that person that no one will buy the cow when the milk's free?
<OB_Rox> OMG
<cj-> less pics, less banners blah blah
<susannas> it looks like his traffic is link list gay traffic
<susannas> his or her ;o)
<OB_Rox> I guess gay men don't get that speech hammered into their heads like us
<cj-> that's also what i pointed out to him
<susannas> he puts all the banners in one place and then purve is on the bottom
<OB_Rox> and it's also on a freehost, yes?
<susannas> for link list traffic and 10 months.. 112,000 is not very much traffic
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<cj-> its 500 a day
> Good grief! He's got enough content to get anyone off. 
> OB, yep, that's a free host. Saw it today when I was reviewing DMOZ sites. 
<cj-> but he has only sent about 150 unique hits
<cj-> in 2 months
> duh
<OB_Rox> wow
<cj-> so....
<cj-> i'm at a bit of a loss
<susannas> damn those guys look gay LOL
<cj-> apart from the obvious reason no one would sign up with that much free content
<OB_Rox> ROFL, susanna, good thing, since it's a gay site
<susannas> forget him cj
> And do you think he has a license for all that content? 
<cj-> he is basically telling me that my sites suck
<cj-> well sandra...
<cj-> i found a pic in there that is one of purve's exclusives :-)
<cj-> but... i really couldn't be bothered with him
<OB_Rox> oh REALLY?  Did you send him that little tidbit of info?
> I think he's about to be cut off. 
<susannas> I would answer back that you would prefer he didnt send gay link list traffic to burn up your tour bandwidth.. but would love to teach him how to make a for women site
<cj-> nah
<cj-> he probably stole it from someone else who stole it
<susannas> LOL
<cj-> yeah that's basically what i said susanna
<OB_Rox> oh lord
> sheesh, and he even gives 'em a slide show. 
<cj-> i was just in shock lol
<cj-> lol
<susannas> osmistress is coming back
<cj-> his traffic is aklso probably bookmark traffic
<OB_Rox> I can imagine!
<susannas> tell him how to link "are you a woman looking for hot studs
<susannas> brb kids need to get to sleep
<cj-> i was hoping to get to use him as an example
> Damn... why can't we find some content like he's stolen. LOL 
<cj-> and put a thing on purvebucks
<cj-> like tnb does (?)
<OB_Rox> LOL cj -  "Don't let this happen to you"
> LOL
<cj-> yeah!! 
<OB_Rox> Hey you girls, I'm going to see if I can get some content boys when I'm back east
<cj-> yummy ob!
<OB_Rox> they've got those real guido types back there
> I've got a gorgeous hottie in Houston... just need the photographer. 
<OB_Rox> In fact, one of the guys I grew up with (among other things) might be amenable
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> Welcome, december. :-) 
<OB_Rox> hi december!
<cj-> dec is just trying to register her nic
<OB_Rox> Oh I always forget how to do that
<OB_Rox> although who the fuck else would possibly want to be "OB_Rox"
> could we please get some legit content with men like this: http://redlighthost.com/gay/facesnbodies/pic1016_lg.jpg
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<cj-> hmm i get a 404
> did you get the whole url? 
> maybe it's protected. 
<cj-> yep
<cj-> yeah possibly
<cj-> bounces me
<cj-> doh!
<OB_Rox> what gallery are you in Sandra?
> I think it was the 9th one. 
<OB_Rox> ROFL Sandra
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<OB_Rox> wow he looks like someone I know
<dec_purve> wow, i think i have that sorted out now....sorry an irc newbie
<dec_purve> Hi everyone
<cj-> hiya baby
> Third group on Gallery 9 second row second pic
* dec_purve grins at cj
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> dec, not problem. Takes awhile to get used to it. 
<dec_purve> hi xippy
> Hi, xippy
<xippy> good morning everybody!!
<dec_purve> thanks sandra....yeah you're right...i am used to ichat
<xippy> ello dec, sandra
<cj-> its xippy!!
> It's the official "Purve" night on WEN LOL 
<cj-> :-))
<dec_purve> lol sandra
<cj-> we could have show and tell!!
<xippy> omg CJ!! how are things??
* dec_purve bops xippy
> Don't have my cam yet.. can't show. LOL 
<cj-> :-)))
<OB_Rox> hahaha
* xippy disconnects dec :-) lol
<cj-> does everyone want to look at the new purve members section?
<dec_purve> lol xip
> YES, cj-
<xippy> hey bitch & susannas
<OB_Rox> no cj, what'd we want to do tHAT for?
> LOL OB. 
<OB_Rox> ;-)
<cj-> http://members.purve.com/menujuly.htm
* dec_purve hears cj and xip talking to each other between offices
<cj-> i'm just working on july update
> xippy, when you say "bitch" expect to get a like of "yes?" replies. LOL 
<xippy> lol sandra :-)
> looking at the site. 
<dec_purve> metoo
* OB_Rox answers to Bitch
<susannas> I gotta get those sex therapy feeds
<OB_Rox> slut, whore, whatever
<cj-> i've only linked 1 atm
<cj-> fell asleep during that part last night
> I see you've got Casanova, cj. What a character. 
<cj-> we just added oceania's audio too
<cj-> yep sandra :-) that's about 2 years old :-)
<cj-> check out my bahamas feature!!!!!
> Does he do any live feeds for you? 
<cj-> no sandra...
<cj-> we tried to organise that but he's ....
<cj-> really really slack
<cj-> lol
<susannas> a cowboy!
> Yeah, I would get that impression. 
> cowboy!!!!!!!
<cj-> yep i got a few cowboys :-)
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<cj-> TIBO!!!!!!!!!
<susannas> Sykkboy got nude for you?  ;o)
> Hugs, TiBo. 
* cj- chases tibo with her nailpolish
> lol
<cj-> yes susanna :-)
<TiBo> Evenin ladies.
<OB_Rox> you didn't know that susanna?
<dec_purve> hi tibo
<xippy> *ahem*
<susannas> no I didnt
<susannas> cool
<OB_Rox> LOL cj & I & Jess had fun with Sykkboy at Cybernet expo
> cj, do you have any stories that are read by men? 
<TiBo> & Xippy.
<OB_Rox> hey tibo & xippy
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<xippy_the_boy> hey Tibo
<cj-> yes sandra...
<cj-> i had a few custome done
> kewl. 
<OB_Rox> Show us your penis, Xippy, prove it
* Sandra` writes that down for promotion.
<susannas> is he the only adult webmaster that has done it?
<cj-> so far susanna :-)
<xippy_the_boy> ok then, If I must I must.... goto www.xippyspenis.com
<susannas> you want to guy Sharkysr... he is a nudist
<cj-> cool!
<cj-> that sykkboy set is the first photos i ever shot so they aren't that good...
* dec_purve will be right back....gotta go to www.xippypenis.com
<susannas> but he has been missing in action a while.. 
<cj-> i'm going to get him naked again this time
<xippy_the_boy> lol dec... 
* dec_purve damn the link doesn't seem to work
<cj-> ob, sykk wants to do strapon content
<susannas> can I come?
> One thing I desperately want is older men. 
<xippy_the_boy> oh darn - I think the site's down dec :-) sorry!
<OB_Rox> oh my
<cj-> i know sandra
<OB_Rox> that'd be so fucking kewl
<cj-> i've been looking around
<dec_purve> lol xippy yeh yeh yeh
> cj, thanks. 
<dec_purve> yeh cj, so what's new? we ALL KNOW you've been around lol
<OB_Rox> I have that boy in orange county who wants to do strapon stuff for me
<cj-> i have about 30 model submissions for here in brisbane
<OB_Rox> pictures that is
* cj- smacks dec
> I've got a pic of a cowboy I used to know online... clothes, but damn I'd love to see him nude. LOL 
<cj-> hahahhahaa
* dec_purve giggles
<OB_Rox> LOL december, but she's still young and has lots of miles to go ;-)
<susannas> Tibo will you do nude for us?
> <-- not as much a prude as I used to be. 
<cj-> YEEEEE HAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHH
<cj-> go sandra! 
<OB_Rox> Sandra, yeah, that kinda happens  LOL
<dec_purve> i know ob, i know!!!! imagine when she's 50! there won't be any fresh men left!
> I've even been asking guys for nude photos on IRC. LOL 
<cj-> now that's getting desperate lol
<TiBo> I don't suppose that's likely Susanna.  =)
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<susannas> how come?
> Hugs, fb
<fatbaby> They allow guys in here? ;-)
<OB_Rox> dec, I'm just glad that SOMEONE's getting all the young ones I can no longer have  LOL
<susannas> they?
<dec_purve> lol sandra....so have you been getting picked up as well, or are they intimidated by the assertive approach?
> fb, we LOVE men. 
<cj-> you have to get nude fatbaby
<OB_Rox> hey fb
<dec_purve> lol ob
<TiBo> Because cameras steal your spirit and trap it in a little box.  Just like answering machines.
<OB_Rox> Yes indeedy Sandra, I'd say that's why we do what we do
<dec_purve> hey baby
<fatbaby> HI Rox.. hows things?
<OB_Rox> LOL TiBo
<susannas> you mean the femdom bouncers with strapons at the door fatbaby
> dec, my nick on IRC is Passion.... and I'm an adult webmaster. Think I get some attention. LOL
* cj- locates the strapon
<OB_Rox> ROFL cj I was just looking at those pics from NO
<dec_purve> lol sandra...i am sure you do! but i was serious, actually.....do you think men get intimidated by women asking for their naked pics?
<susannas> Tibo.. so .. take your pictures.. then do some audio... then come visit... it will make you 3D
<OB_Rox> dec, of course they do... especially when they know you're SERIOUS
> dec, nope.. they are really quite complimented. but they've all told me I can't publish them. :-( 
> I've got some rather good looking content I can't use. :-( 
<OB_Rox> Damn them to hell
<dec_purve> its strange coz i have never found men to be overly intimidated...i believe it has a lot to do with the room u are in, the nick you use, and how you word the request.
<susannas> men EXPECT women to have pics... I never chat to those... its so fucking stupid that they dont have pictures but want your pic
<OB_Rox> or they want you to publish them with no faces
<dec_purve> oh that's a bummer sandra
<cj-> i won't publish no face shots anymore
> cj, good idea. 
<OB_Rox> nope, I wouldn't either
<cj-> women don't want just dick pics...
<OB_Rox> exactly
<cj-> there has to be at least 1 full or face shot
<susannas> brb
<OB_Rox> I was telling one of the guys at work today that we don't care about looking at a cumming dick... we want to see the face of the guy with the cumming dick
<cj-> exactly :-)
<dec_purve> yeh its the expression on a guys face as he loses control that turns me on.
<OB_Rox> ^5 dec
<cj-> hey susanna raised an important point the other day on wen
<cj-> about writing articles
<dec_purve> back atcha ob
<cj-> and susanna mentioned we all should attempt to write some articles and thoughts...
<OB_Rox> lol
> I was talking to a photographer the other day. Told him we women wanted hardcore content, just not with the woman looking at the camera. When she's receiving oral sex she should like she's enjoying it, not posing for the cam. 
<xippy_the_boy> good point cj, there's no point bitching if it doesn't get heard
> Well, we found out who the Tara is who wrote that article and can say I wasn't surprised by what she said. 
> So where do we get articles published? 
<cj-> I've got a nice little collection of places that take submissions...
<cj-> and if I could find some people to regularly write articles...
<cj-> we could do group submission of articles...
> The thing to do, is take her article, and write your own ideas/opinions but not mention the article. 
<dec_purve> xippy......why am i ping ponging?
<TiBo> Yes. She still owes me money.
> cj, yes, based on her article. 
> dec, that's just the server seeing if you're active. 
<xippy_the_boy> that's OK dec - the server is just checking that you're still there..... no action reqd
<dec_purve> thanks xippy and sandra....i just wish it would do it more quietly
> So, now what topics do we talk about in the articles? 
* xippy_the_boy jumps to dec's rescue
* dec_purve waits to see xippy the hero
> cj, yes, she sure is. 
> :-) 
<cj-> sandra... i have picked a few subjects
<cj-> that I feel I can write about
* dec_purve sees that xippy the hero is actually captain invisible
<xippy_the_boy> lol, dec
<cj-> 1 was utilizing gay traffic for 4women sites.. i rewrote the thing from femresources
> <-- needs ideas. I suppose I could write about the birth of Lady Lynx and WEN. 
> Good one, cj. 
<cj-> how about if i make a page of article topics?
* xippy_the_boy chuckles
> cj, great... at WEN? 
> LOL xippy
<cj-> yep, i'll post it
<dec_purve> ooh that would be great cj.....i have some thoughts hovering around in the back of my mind but nothing concrete yet.
<cj-> then we can just pic ones we thing we could write about?
> cj, go for it. 
* dec_purve chants cj cj cj
<cj-> cool
<cj-> hahahahhahaa
<OB_Rox> I'm trying to get into the habit of writing more often
> Time for us to be pro-active. 
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<cj-> avn and klixxx are now actively taking articles i've written which is GREAT!
> Kewl. 
<cj-> so hopefully we can grow from there.. jennifer from klixxx is awesome
<OB_Rox> no shit, I love both those magazines
<dec_purve> do porn sites accept the importance of love in their articles or are they specifically sex-based? that's a good question lol
> In AllOfEm there was something about a recent article on sites for women. Can't remember who wrote it. 
<OB_Rox> adultbuzz.com
<OB_Rox> it's for um...
> dec, great question. 
> I'd love to find time to develope a relationship site... more sensual than sexual. 
<cj-> and how to build romance into a smut site...
<susannas> <dec_purve> yeh its the expression on a guys face as he loses control that turns me on.  EXACTLY!!!
<TiBo> Kath at AdultBuzz will takes articles on just about any topic you can dream up.
<cj-> sandra, i got the domain cyberlations.com for something like that...
<dec_purve> see, to me.....i like erotica, not porn.....that's just a personal preference, but that is what i look for in a site.....does that make sense?
> cj, you genius. :-) 
> I've thought about changing Sensual Woman into a Romance site. Soft sell on sex. 
<OB_Rox> Russell of Streetbucks.com
<cj-> no dec
> Russell wrote the story? 
<cj-> what are you talking about
<OB_Rox> yes Sandra
> ty
* cj- ducks from dec's swing
<OB_Rox> apparently they've got a 4women site
<dec_purve> sheesh, cj, i will explain it in an hour lol
> LOL cj
<TiBo> Queen Erotica.
> Queen Erotica
* dec_purve goes looking for the cj to dec translation dictionary
<cj-> now this is annoying::
> LOL It's a GREAT looking site inside. Just not enough 
<cj-> quot
<cj-> quote
<cj-> The ones that we haven’t really sold to yet 
<OB_Rox> queenerotica.com
<cj-> end quote
<OB_Rox> right
<cj-> grrrrrrrrr
> lol
<cj-> queen erotica inside is awesome
> cj, wass wrong? 
<cj-> in vegas, I will be spending some time with bonnie and russell
> Kewl. 
> they have Great potential.
<cj-> we have talked about content production etc so... hopefully we can put our heads together
* dec_purve is lost too, sandra.......what is wrong, cj?
> Has anyone been inside Just for Ladies? 
<cj-> sandra, i was grring at the line from the article 'The ones that we haven’t really sold to yet '
<cj-> yes sandra........
<susannas> sandra adult buzz.. it was russel from queen erotica
> cj, gotcha
<cj-> just for ladies is.....
* dec_purve clicks now
> dec... that's ok... I'm confused and lost, too. LOL 
<TiBo> Who here will be in Vegas?  Anyone other than cj?
<cj-> not very 4women
> cj, really? 
* OB_Rox will be in Connecticut
* dec_purve glares at xippy.
* xippy will be throwing his $$$ away in vegas
<cj-> xippy will be in vegas :-)
<susannas> damn you guys talk too fast.. just caught up
* dec_purve thinks, apparently i don't fit in the suitcase
<cj-> not with all of our merchandise anyway dec
* xippy consoles dec
<cj-> lol
> sus, there'll be a log posted. 
<dec_purve> LOL
<OB_Rox> LOL cj, did you make any big-girl panties?
<cj-> ob, dec has taken care of it all
<susannas> thanks sandra 
<OB_Rox> cuz you'll have to send some home with D$ or someone for me
> sus, np
<cj-> this time, we have lots of big tshirts - panties are larger than last time
<cj-> ob, i'll be in la for a few days
<dec_purve> ob, there are gstrings up to size 16.....i am not sure what size that becomes in US sizes.
<OB_Rox> I've lost 12 lbs. since you last saw me cj...   LOL only 28 to go!
> How large are the shirts, cj? 
<cj-> 16 is about a 12 american sizes
<dec_purve> there are all sorts of goodies as well....you will need to leave conneiticut to see what else lol
<cj-> we got xxlarge tshirts
<OB_Rox> dec, think "woman who'd look silly in a g-string" that's my size
<cj-> large, xlarge and xxlarge
> cj, kewl... can I get one, please? I'll send out the rest of my vibes. :-) 
<susannas> as dokk says.. women wear t backs not g strings
<OB_Rox> LOL dec, if I could I would...  I'd fly in the 29th evening
<dec_purve> you should see me ob.....i am really thin, if i could grow 4 foot
<OB_Rox> LOL dec...
<cj-> sure thing baby!
> ty, hon. :-) 
<cj-> can you send dec your postal details for me? we got mucho goodies
> sure. 
> december@purve.com? or what addy?
<dec_purve> there are some standard things and some fun things...its gonna be good...even glow-in-the-dark good
<cj-> yep
<dec_purve> yep that's fine, sandra
<cj-> heh heh
<OB_Rox> susanna, even a t-back is a really scary thought
<susannas> this time of night is not really very good for me....kids 
> Kewl. 
<OB_Rox> where are you susanna?
<susannas> Canada its 10 now
> Sus, you need it earlier? 
> or later? 
<cj-> NO EARLIER
<OB_Rox> oh, it's only 7
<cj-> lol
<susannas> nope later is better
* dec_purve mumbles about getting up at some obscene hour of the morning to come to work for this lol
> LOL
<cj-> we are not morning people here
> An hour later? 
<OB_Rox> yes, and isn't only about noon there?
<cj-> xippy stayed up all night so he would be up in time
<cj-> its noon now
<OB_Rox> LOL
<OB_Rox> that's what I though
<OB_Rox> thought even
<xippy> lol cj, you know that's the only way I can exist in the AM
<cj-> lol
> We might have to have two chats a week. Was thinking of an early morning chat on Fridays. 
<xippy> you didn't lol cj :-)
<OB_Rox> I should have stayed at work, I can't chat here without being interrupted by family duty...  breaking up the squabbles  LOL
<cj-> early morning your time is great for us cause that's late night!
<cj-> yay!
> kewl
<xippy> YAY!
<dec_purve> YAY!!!!
> cj, okay, what new sites you got coming out? 
* dec_purve joins the vampire club
<cj-> ob, xippy and i will be in la on the 24th or so until the 26th.. then back there for a few days later...
<cj-> lots sandra :-)
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<dec_purve> brb
<OB_Rox> of this month, cj?
<cj-> just put this front end up http://www.strippingmen.com
> spam us. :-) 
<cj-> yes rox... in 2 weeks we'll be there...
<OB_Rox> I'll be out of town 6/22 - 7/2
<susannas> funny story... I am still in my nighty at 11 am... looking and working with porn... knock on the door.. its some delivery guy..about 60 years old...he has 6 boxes for me... I sign and say leave them on the porch...he says you sure maam..I say yes just leave them there...he says you sure maam.. I get annoyed...YES LEAVE THEM THERE... hours later I pull the boxes off the porch...they are stamped in big letters TLC ADULT SEX GAMES...
<OB_Rox> christ almight
<cj-> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
<OB_Rox> almighty, I'll miss you again
<OB_Rox> well this just sucks!
<xippy> lol susannas
<dec_purve> back
<OB_Rox> but you said you'll be back right?
<cj-> hahahahha susanna
<cj-> not for a while ob....
> LOL Sus. Ohhhhh, no!!!!!
<dec_purve> lmdao susannas
<cj-> oh hang on
<cj-> you are back on teh 2nd july... yeah we'll be there that week
<OB_Rox> ROFL Susanna
<OB_Rox> oh very kewl
<cj-> so we can catch up!!!
<OB_Rox> absolutely!  And we have a holiday on the 4th so...
<OB_Rox> you should come over to wb
<cj-> awesome!!!!
<dec_purve> oh god......sex toys with independence day colours all over them lmao
> cj, are the guys on stripping male straight? or are there straight feeds?
<dec_purve> cj is brb at the moment
<dec_purve> she is gasbagging with xippy
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> ty, dec
<dec_purve> hi oz
<cj-> yep sandra...
> wb Mistress
<xippy> no she was just using me for my nicotine
> cj, soooo kewl
<OzMistress> Geez...took me long enough, lol
<cj-> some of the pics are our usuals...
<dec_purve> lol xippy
<xippy> :-))
<susannas> stripping males is very cool....specially since the content providers insist on giving us 500 pics of the same guy in various stagges of undress... on the same sofa even LOL
<cj-> yep :-)
<cj-> but we have so much content here now that we have heaps
> Wow! Who's the provider? 
<susannas> we need real strippers
<xippy> know what you mean susannas
<susannas> ;o)
<susannas> chippy guys
<cj-> some local stuff sandra :-)
<xippy> cj - what was that cool content site we were looking at yesterday?
> kewl, beans. 
<cj-> manscapes....
<cj-> http://www.manscapes.com
> I talked to CVProductions yesterday about getting more straight male content. 
<xippy> str8 looking men - and quite a few babes
<susannas> I know a guy in Toronto... making his own site http://www.ice2nite.com/  he tells me all his friends would pose for money
<cj-> really sandra?
> kewl, sus
<cj-> i'd love if they could include that in their club
<susannas> manscapes is a great site
> cj, yep. They are willing to work with us... like taking pics where the model isn't looking at the cam in hardcore sets. 
> Will make up custom CDs for me. 
<cj-> yeah yummy huh 
<cj-> if i could find the guys that looked like that... i could damn well shoot them!!!!!
<cj-> awesome sandra!!! that's fab
> You mean "ice"? 
<xippy> they're not much used to us dead cj
> CompDoc is also going to do some stuff. 
<cj-> hahahahhahaa
<dec_purve> i was thinking the same thing xippy
* cj- smacks xippy
<susannas> cj I have been really successful in contacting such places and asking to use their content in exchange for a link to their sites... what do I care if my members go there... they are already paying with me... I kind of showcase their work,.... like "visiting artists"
<xippy> although we could explore a niche market
> And, believe it or not, my son is thinking about getting into photography and he said he wouldn't mind shooting single guys. 
<dec_purve> necrophilia for women???
<cj-> susanna, that is EXACTLY what i used to do for purve
<cj-> for about the first year I made stacks of features that way
> dec, yuck. LOL 
<cj-> its great to fill the site up
> You've gotten stuff from manscape in exchange for a link? 
<cj-> no, other similar sites...
<susannas> and stuff like this... manscape... you cant get it anywhere
<cj-> none that good lol
> *sigh* 
<susannas> I am doign this with some underwater sex pictures 
> I gotta start harvesting guys from IRC. LOL 
<susannas> Tibo has given me some of his work
<susannas> alot of writers do this for me
> TiBo underwater?
<cj-> its a great idea
<susannas> why dont we just put up a page asking for models
<susannas> link it off all our sites
<cj-> done that susannas
<susannas> where cj?
<cj-> but all of them are from foreign countries....
<cj-> on purve
> We'd have to have the photographers. 
<susannas> hmmm
> <-- won't use amateur content. 
<dec_purve> brb
<TiBo> I'm still here.
<susannas> no I was thinking for CJ to take the pics
<susannas> or another of our photographers
<xippy> good idea sus!
<cj-> susanna, i've advertised on purve, for people who are in certain areas...
<susannas> we need a photographer near a male strip club
<cj-> but you only get people from other areas lol
> I've also been talking to a guy on IRC who is a photographer who'd like to do some "sensual" shoots. Just gotta see if I can talk him into doing it. 
<cj-> i had a guy from england email me and say he'd pose nude anywhere if his travel expenses we're covered
<OzMistress> hehe, so would I 
<TiBo> Them kinky brits.
<cj-> there are so many 'almost' situations...
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> Looks like what we need is a photographer who will do the shoots and then co-ordinate these guys' travel
<susannas> what if we go with cvproductions but put our own adverts in florida (that is where they are right?) newspapers? does that work?
> Hugs, sweet playful. :-) 
<cj-> which gets rediculously expensive
<playful> hugs Sandra
<cj-> yeah susanna
<cj-> that's a good idea
<cj-> i've advertised locally and I have quite a few guys here...
> Sus, yes, they are in Florida. I'll write them with our ideas. 
<cj-> when i get back from the states dec is going to coordinate a day of test shooting for me :-)
<susannas> in the personals section it cant be that expensive
<susannas> cv does really nice stuff
<cj-> classifieds are not too expensive susanna
> Okay, next weeks chat, I think, should be on giving photographers ideas of what we want. I'll post this on WEN and anyone who knows of a photographer, please let them know. 
<susannas> most papers are online and you can use your credit card LOL
<cj-> okies, and i'm also trying to get someone from maxcash to come and talk about their site
> cj, good idea. 
<susannas> I have gotten a free look around queenerotica... will maxcash give us a free look?
<cj-> ok, cindy will be hopefully coming by next week
> Sus, I think it's best to get a trial. 
<cj-> susannas, i signed up..
<cj-> oops and i forgot to cancel it
* cj- smacks head
<susannas> naw.. I like it free LMAO
> I don't think they're doing that now. 
<susannas> I would do the same for them ;o)
<OB_Rox> I need to take a look around queenerotica, their tour's nice
> I sign up, but stay for a month or so... or get the three month membership. 
<cj-> its a nice members section ob
<cj-> its TRUE 4women...
<susannas> I agree
> cj, exactly. 
<cj-> not these megasites with a few '4women' bits of text added
<OB_Rox> Well that's a fabulous thing
> OB, write Crystal for a pass. 
<OB_Rox> which just piss me off
<OB_Rox> yes, I'll have to do that
<OB_Rox> I want to redesign dicks4chicks
<susannas> like boys4girls.. 5 galleries then the common back end
<cj-> ob, every site has their place... its like real gay and hardcrank
<dec_purve> back now......what did i miss?
<cj-> lol
<cj-> well the maxcash one has the normal backend and about 15 male galleries
<cj-> and 15 couples galleries
<cj-> and the story bin...
<susannas> you cant get retention with that
<cj-> exactly
> For what it is, I like Women's Porno becaue it does have the large back end. 
<susannas> they may as well go to Karas
<OB_Rox> I thought it was just me, that I was too picky... I don't like MOST paysites at all
> But their tour is fantastic. 
<xippy> is something on fire in your office cj?
<OB_Rox> no xippy that's cj hitting the bong
<susannas> yup fabulous tours LOL
<cj-> doh
<dec_purve> i thought i was just imagining that smell
<cj-> my ashtray just caught fire
> lol
<cj-> sorry kids
<dec_purve> lol cj
> I think iGallery needs to spruce up their tour. Anyone been inside? 
<susannas> you all live in one place?
<cj-> yes sandra...
<TiBo> Catch y'all next week.
<OB_Rox> iGallery sucks... I"ve never made a fucking DIME with them
<cj-> i had a meeting with them when they launched it
<susannas> night tibo
<cj-> see ya tibo!
> and what's it like? 
<OB_Rox> nite TiBo
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<cj-> their members section is really nice
> Night, Tib......
<susannas> I have taken igallery off my sites... 
> cj, guess I'll sign up. 
<cj-> they have access to a lot of streaming content through their production company
<OB_Rox> I think I finally did, too susanna
<cj-> and they we're turning a bunch of porn movies into digital streaming format...
<cj-> and they we're NICE
<cj-> i was like 'can i have them' but they are keeping tight hold
<dec_purve> cj, mr purve wants you to set up the webcam??!!??
<cj-> dec, tell him to get his ass in here
> One of the things I like on PMB is their broadband videos.
<OB_Rox> Oh!  That's what I was doing I was trying to get my webcam working
<cj-> women's porno is a great site because of its sheer size
<cj-> they have so much stuff they can't possibly go wrong... 
<susannas> They need to break it up a bit
<cj-> and the tour is really nice
> Got a shitload of signups, but retention seems to suck. :-( 
<susannas> I thought I heard there was some swinger sites coming out
<susannas> do you all realize there was about 60 new sites in may early June?  some high profile some not
<cj-> what kind of averages sandra?
<cj-> 60? wow!!!
<OB_Rox> silvercash built like 30 or soemthing
<susannas> then maxcash
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<OB_Rox> maxcash 25
> I got 55 signups last month to Women's Porno... Even with my previous members I've only got about 10 renewals. I have to talk to them to see what's going on. 
<cj-> ????
<cj-> wow, that's not good at all
> Silver cash, too? 
> I know. :-( 
<cj-> our average is hovering around 2.2
> And I feel awful that Purve hasn't done better. 
<cj-> its not fab, but it averages at $30 a sign
<susannas> 7 sites here  http://crazyxxxcash.com/
<cj-> i'm noticing that link lists don't get good retention :-(
> I'm thinking it might have been my advertising. I built a site that promoted the trial membership. 
<cj-> i think link list traffic sometimes works its way through the lists and signs up to many
> <-- needs more of her own sites on Lady Lynx. LOL 
<dec_purve> what prevents me from returning to a site is excessive banner ads and extraneous pop up windows
> Karen has about three times as many as I do. LOL 
<cj-> lol
<cj-> she builds em so quick
> Just can't find any decent content. :-( 
<cj-> i know i konw
> And builds such good sites. 
<cj-> i found a cool site the other day
<cj-> but its expensive content
<cj-> hang on i'll find it
> I don't care. LOL 
> I may have to go out and get my own camera. 
> Put an ad in for some college guys. LOL 
<cj-> http://www.photorama.nl/
<cj-> click on webmaster
<cj-> enter
> I'm old enough to be their mother.... and as long as they don't say they "like older women" they'll survive. 
<cj-> then shop
> k
<playful> lol Sandra
> I get sooooo much of that on IRC. 
<susannas> this was a standard reply mail from a link list... thought it was a positive step...Dear webmaster or webmistress
<susannas> Thank you for submitting your link to Cleos Links for horny surfers
<susannas> If you've just submitted a site to me with more than 20 pix, thanks, but it really wasn't necessary.  Remember we are in this business to make money, not extract sperm!
<susannas> Work smarter, be inventive and try not to spread free porn all over the web.  Play hard to make money, not get surfers off.
<cj-> then select men/gay from teh drop down window
<OB_Rox> Sandra, I hear you
> Got hit on by a 21 year old last night. 
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> Hugs, geejay. :-) 
<cj-> susanna, that is such a fabulous piece of text!!!!
<geejay> hiya
<cj-> i might start a link list with maximum pics limits
> Sus, kewl!!!
<cj-> hiya geejay!
<cj-> http://www.photorama.nl/images/big/fileaFoEsL.jpg
<susannas> thats where I am buying from now cj.. from photorama.nl
> geejay... one of the best site designers. :-) 
<geejay> hi cj...hi everyone!
<cj-> i really like their pics... and you can buy full set or individual... 
<dec_purve> hi gee
<geejay> lol
<cj-> http://www.photorama.nl/images/big/16371jaa.jpg
* Sandra` faints when she sees that sample.
<susannas> I have that picture.. its old..cj... but the beauty is that its not used much
<cj-> i love that one with the wine glass on teh shelf
<cj-> its got potential to just be in a gallery or to have a full story written around it...
<susannas> that set.. he has to be dutch.. he makes me nuts...I love the unshaven look
<cj-> http://www.photorama.nl/images/big/10120vaa.jpg
<cj-> sorry i'm just posting my faves :-)
<susannas> he looks aussie
> I've got the guy with the wine glass, but from someone else. CV Productions, I think. 
<susannas> yup sandra
<cj-> really? cool!
<cj-> it all looks european
<susannas> yup lots of uncut guys ;o)
<OB_Rox> LOL Yep
<dec_purve> lol at uncut
* OB_Rox is a foreskin fan
<OB_Rox> so many more tricks of the tongue one can use
> Prefers them trimmed... like beards. LOL
* cj- just grins
<dec_purve> for atmosphere the wine glass does it....its the expression i reckon...the other one doesn't do anything for me.
<cj-> i like how his head is tilted back... like its a private moment
> cj, exactly. 
<OB_Rox> yes... I love a man with his dick in his hand and INTO it
<dec_purve> yes it adds an ambience, a scene, a moment.
<susannas> what I like about these is you can order them separately
> Maybe that's the difference with men and women. I really don't want to see him looking at me. I want to think I've just walked in on him. 
<susannas> ob I agree
<OB_Rox> Oh I don't mind him looking at me, as long as he's enjoying himself
<cj-> so, now we have the perfect pic
> :-) 
<cj-> i'm going to steal that and i'm going to post it on femresources
<cj-> lol
<dec_purve> i want to see him lost in the moment, in the passion and need.....that's what sex is as a guy comes...pure need...its great to see that in their face.
<cj-> and make all content providers look at it
> Perfect pic - Sean Connery look-alike with a nine inch dick. 
<susannas> exactly.. dont look seductively at me unless your about to cum and I am the reason LOL
<dec_purve> sean connery? the guy with the wine glass?
<geejay> i'm with you on that dec
> sus, exactly. 
<cj-> lol sandra!!!!!
<OB_Rox> Ok, like my strapon kink...  the femdom thing doesn't do it for me, I want to see a man who WANTS his woman to ride his ass!  LOL
<cj-> dec, that's sandra's dream guy
<cj-> with a cowboy hat on
<OB_Rox> LOL cj
> One of THE most sensual moments I've had was when a man came looking directly into my eyes. *sigh* 
<cj-> HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA @ OB
<dec_purve> lol
* OB_Rox blushes
<cj-> that's a classic!
> OB.... you're soooo kinky. LOL 
<cj-> ob, you need to come to vegas so we can shoot you and sykkboy :-))))
<susannas> yes OB... a guy who is into pain is even a turn on.. he wants something bad.. and he wants YOU to do it to him... thats why stories are a turn on.. you get to hear how much he is turned on by the woman... by you/me
> Okay, we've got our work cut out for us, gals... and xippy. :-) 
<OB_Rox> lol Sandra, kinda, yeah... but not really...  I just love the idea of a person REALLY enjoying whatever sex they're having... alone, with a friend, two, whatever
<susannas> sandra.. a guy you know
<xippy> lol sandra :-)
<OB_Rox> right susanna
<cj-> all this fantasy talk is fine, but the reality is i would love to get laid PERIOD
> Sus, a guy I know? lost track of the conversation. LOL 
<OB_Rox> LOL cj that's the rub... I don't EVER want to be the woman in that fantasy... on film anyway
<susannas> you like someone you know to look into your eyes.. no?
<cj-> i could just shoot your strapon...
> Hush, cj.... it's been over two years!
<cj-> ok you win sandra
<cj-> HAHHAHAHAA
> Sus, yes. 
> two and a half years. 
> before that... 18 years. 
<OB_Rox> LOL I'm married and it's been like twice in the past month
<OB_Rox> good lord!
> LOL
<dec_purve> one of the hottest pics i saw didn't even have a dick in it....it was a guy lying on his stomach on the beach, like he was sleeping or something, and a woman's hand is about an inch above his butt, just about to caress it, and there is this slight smile on the guys face like he knows where this is going, and what is about to happen.
<dec_purve> i found that really erotic.
<susannas> CJ we all wanna get laid ;o)  but the power of pleasure is more of a drug for me... sucking a guy and controlling him like the tv remote... that is much more fun... I can cum anytime I want ;o)
<dec_purve> it was also black and white which helped set the scene.
<cj-> susanna... that is the best description i've ever heard
<OB_Rox> ooh that sounds yummy dec
<geejay> i think stories that allow the viewer to tell themselves a story 
<geejay> really work for me at least
<OB_Rox> and put themself in it, yes geejay
> This chat is sooooo rich with ideas. 
<OB_Rox> themself?   kill me please
<susannas> or reminds them of a hot time they have already had
<dec_purve> exactly geejay....when i see a pic of a guy holding his cock, and he's obviously posing, it doesn't stir me at all
<susannas> women have to get into that part of their minds
> Nothing like having complete control of them. 
<susannas> dec_purve he can hold it any which way he wants... still doesnt make me horny LMAO
<geejay> i can get into quite an amazing range of kinks if i get a chance to get my imagination going
<cj-> so you all laughed at my defining a woman thing on wen
<cj-> i see how its gonna be
<cj-> hrrrmph
<dec_purve> lol susannas
<susannas> no cj we didnt know the answer
<OB_Rox> tits & a slit = woman  lol
<susannas> that is what we all have been struggling with.. who is this creature woman?
<cj-> quoting karenj
<susannas> women are whoever others want them to be
<cj-> What if I said a woman is someone who has to learn how to enjoy herself sexually, as opposed to a man who discovers it automatically? 
<susannas> sad but true
<cj-> end quote
> cj, hon, how can you define a woman.... we are so varied and different. I don't think we can be categorized in a few sentences. 
<cj-> definately not sandra :-)
> cj, I'll agree with that quote. 
<cj-> but that in itself is a definition
<susannas> I answered that one CJ on wen
> cj, okay, that'll be my definition... definitionless :-) 
<cj-> hahhaahahahaa
<OB_Rox> cj - but I don't think the part about men being automatic is really true
<cj-> you can't get out of it that easy sandra
<susannas> and we like to think we can categorize men.. but they are all different too... I look for those special ones.. the very different ones myself
<dec_purve> i think there are several men who need to discover their sexuality rather than find it automatically...and those make the best lovers.
> LOL cj. 
<geejay> well in terms of marketing porn, i think that's a good defination, cj
<OB_Rox> I think men don't really learn to enjoy themselves sexually until someone teaches them
<cj-> my goal here is not to put anything into a box... but rather to show the diversity
<OB_Rox> that's why they're all worried about "making" a woman cum
<susannas> right they learn how to cum
> Hmmm, got some good questions to ask my male friends on IRC. 
<susannas> cj  women are also different every generation of their lives
<cj-> susanna, i love your post on that :-)
<OB_Rox> I had to teach Rob how to have a quickie LOL
> I know men online who live to make women horny and fulfill them. I also know guys who only want to get their rocks off. 
<susannas> every decade I mean
<cj-> exactly susanna
<dec_purve> but look at tantric sex...you can make each other come by sitting on either side of a room and just breathing...men's sexuality is almost as unexplored as women's... the difference is,that porn never shows a man exploring, it shows the end result
<cj-> every day even
<OB_Rox> right dec
<cj-> i've tried that kama sutra thing
<cj-> i'm too impatient
<OB_Rox> LOL cj
<susannas> I wanna do that... LOL sit on other side of the room... 
<cj-> STICK IN NOW FOR FUCKS SAKE
<geejay> bingo, dec
<OB_Rox> ROFL
> lol
<cj-> dec, i'm going to try to make you cum now
<cj-> with my mind
> We are a randy bunch. 
<susannas> LOL
<dec_purve> i was lucky...i experienced tantric sex that required no touching and we could be four feet from each other...that was very powerful.
<susannas> and xippy is taking notes?
> dec, write an article on that. 
<cj-> yep
<cj-> hahahhahahahhaa
<dec_purve> lmdao cj....sorry babe but your cock just ain't big enuff
> xippy is stunned. LOL 
<susannas> yes dec for sure
<xippy> omg cj - I felt a stirring in my pants - concentrate somewhere else!!
<cj-> BINGO!!!!!!!!
<dec_purve> on tantric sex?
<cj-> sandra... bingo!!!!
<susannas> LOL xippy
<OB_Rox> Ok here we go again with my butt thing...   straight men have to LEARN to enjoy their butts
<cj-> dec, you just said you had an experience that all of us are curious about
<cj-> WRITE AN ARTICLE
> Men just don't know how fun this is. 
<dec_purve> yes boy don't they ob!
<xippy> :-)) sandra
* dec_purve shups
<OB_Rox> and once they DO, they realize what they've been missing
<OB_Rox> Ah, the joy of penetration!
<cj-> and dec, my cock IS big enough
<playful> lol
<dec_purve> lmao cj
* Sandra` just shakes her head.
<susannas> I would LOVE articles like that that are free ;o)  if we could barter for those... I hate writing them all myself and dont have money for professional...and frankly the professionals have agendas...
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<dec_purve> simeon!!
<cj-> susanna....
<OB_Rox> I have no money for pros either
<OB_Rox> hey sim!
> And it would sure add some "value added" content to our sites. 
<cj-> can I run an idea past ya'all
<OB_Rox> k
* dec_purve dances with simeon...you made it!!!
> Hi, Simeon. 
<cj-> its mr purve!!!!!!!!
<xippy> welcome simeon!!
> Wow, MrPurve? 
<susannas> clothes off at the door
<cj-> yep :-)
> lol 
<Simeon> hi, i can't believe i figured this out!!! hello everbody
<susannas> hello Simeon
<OB_Rox> fuck, it's so hot I'm about to rip off my shirt
<dec_purve> ok, well i will write an article on my experiences with tantric sex as soon as my tyrannical boss lets up on the filing lol 
> Simeon, welcome to the group. 
<cj-> sandra, in our members section, we have 2 columns, a mr purve advice column, and sim says column
<OB_Rox> ROFL dec
<susannas> LOL OB
> LOL dec
<OB_Rox> I've heard that about cj, dec
<cj-> simeon writes both of those for us
> I'll be sure to read them later tonight. 
<Simeon> wow, i must be busy
<OB_Rox> I think MrPurve needs a prostate massage
<dec_purve> lol ob......its only because she doesn't know how to, so i have 3 years to catch up on! lol
<OB_Rox> LOL
<susannas> LOL OB
<cj-> HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA
<dec_purve> lol simeon
<OB_Rox> dec, can you come to my house next?
* xippy confirms cj's LOL
<OB_Rox> ROFL cj
> OB, don't run him off. LOL 
<susannas> then my house?
<susannas> you should see my mess
<dec_purve> ack!!!!!!
<OB_Rox> Sandra, Sim already knows to always back AWAY from Rox
<dec_purve> <moves to the antartic.......no filiing cabinets here
> LOL OB
<geejay> lol
<OB_Rox> I just ripped off my shirt
<dec_purve> ack...excuse typos
<susannas> LOL back away from the webmistress
<OB_Rox> LOL it really is fucking broiling in this room
<susannas> where are you ob?
<OB_Rox> Los Angeles...  the Valley
<geejay> me too
> <-- Knows to have the airconditioner on with this group. 
<cj-> simeon, can we arrange dinner with ob and rob while we are in la?
<susannas> ahhh I am the only one here that truely knows COLD even in summer
<cj-> on our way home?
<OB_Rox> I hate the cold susanna
<OB_Rox> if I leave LA, I'm going to Florida
<susannas> me too what the heck luck did I have being born in Canada
<cj-> i love florida!!!
<OB_Rox> LOL susanna
<Simeon> sure, we should talk later and i will get all the dates
* dec_purve wonders if anyone knows how to get the green outta her hair before tomorrow night.
> cj and Simeon, can you tell us something about what you do with the columns you write?
<OB_Rox> cj, I'm seriously thinking about going there
<cj-> groovy :-)
<dec_purve> sorry just a passing thought
<geejay> so who is going to vegas, i would really love to meet some folks
<susannas> Susanna plans on traveling ALOT this winter... as a travel writter LOL
<susannas> writer even
<cj-> sure sandra
<OB_Rox> green, is it permanent, dec?
<OB_Rox> effasol tint remover, but it's REALLY hard on your locks
<dec_purve> its meantto be gone by now, ob....but its bloody sticking there lol
<cj-> we are currently trying to gather as much exclusive content as we can
<OB_Rox> LOL
<cj-> writing stuff, etc
<dec_purve> ok thanks ob.
<cj-> eventually we will sell it somehow...
<cj-> that's the idea I was about to run past everyone...
> tell us. 
<cj-> does everyone know vavoom magazine by igallery?
<susannas> its a good idea... bundle them
<OB_Rox> ah...  cj, so you'll pimp us then?  LOL
<Simeon> i just use the column as an excuse to talk to women about sex
> Sure, cj. 
<OB_Rox> I've seen it ... awhile ago though
<dec_purve> lol simeon
<cj-> lol simeon
<susannas> Simeon you can talk to me about sex any time sweetie
<OB_Rox> Sim, as if you need an excuse?
<cj-> i want to do a 4women magazine like that...
> Simeon, email me. *wink* LOL 
<OB_Rox> Sim's a hottie
<cj-> which is designed purely to be plugged into sites...
> cj, yipeeeeeeee
<OB_Rox> oh cj that's great
<geejay> that would be great, cj
<susannas> its a great plan cj
<cj-> free sites could have 1 version which is free and has banners
<cj-> paysites can lease a bannerless version...
<Simeon> ty, btw
<cj-> the banners will carry your linking codes so you still get signs from using it...
> cj, does AVS count as paysite? 
<cj-> it would contain about 1 article, column etc...
<cj-> sandra, up to you....
<susannas> yup Gramma did that.. she just made her own ezines... was thinking we need that for women
<cj-> some pics, movies etc...
> Well, if I get credit for signups, no problem. I'll go with the banner one. 
<cj-> just mini plug in style of things... 
<cj-> we have enough past content that we can supply a year of it without producing any more lol
<OB_Rox> hehehe cj
<geejay> do it!
<cj-> mostly it would focus on the writing side of things as that's what we have exclusive to us...
> fashion, gossip, maybe some free feeds? 
<cj-> yep....
<cj-> astrology....
<susannas> SEX
<susannas> please some sex LOL
<dec_purve> views and opinions....men's perspectives....etc?
<cj-> ok.. sex fashion, sex gossip, sex astrology
> Any idea what the going rate for exclusive stories is? 
<susannas> ahhh thanks
<OB_Rox> lol sex fashion oooh I like that
<cj-> :-)
<susannas> no shit I was just thinking that
<cj-> sex fashion = lingerie, leather, styles etc
<susannas> you know cj... what really has to happen is cross overs into real world
<OB_Rox> I like fetish content because i love the CLOTHES
<cj-> karenj is also writing for us now....
> I wanted to do an advice column with falcon. He would have the "good old boy" answers. 
<susannas> like fashion shows of sex apparel
<susannas> etc
<cj-> susanna, yes, like half half... sex but crossover
<dec_purve> and a section for bigger women with fashion
<cj-> ooh susanna, hold that thought hang on
> dec... great idea. 
<OB_Rox> REAL women you mean, dec?
<OB_Rox> lol
<cj-> ob
<cj-> don't start that shit
> <-- real, real woman
<cj-> real women can be skinny too
<dec_purve> hell even i would pose for that......anything to show that bigger women can be sexy.
<Simeon> really big women?
<dec_purve> there is this stoopid myth that fat women don't have sex
<dec_purve> it frustrates the hell outta me
<OB_Rox> yes they can, I guess I should say SUBSTANTIAL women or something like that
<susannas> substantial LOL
> Guys on IRC tell me they've had some of their best sex with BBWs. 
<cj-> lol
<dec_purve> umm i don't know...... i am big, i know that.....but not as big as some, and yet twice the size of carla, and half her height
<OB_Rox> well, cj will tell you, both my husband and jessica's are pretty hot, and they like their women plump
<geejay> porn sure opened my eyes to what men consider sexy...even if it is only at 4 in the morning...
<OB_Rox> I'm in the middle there too dec
> geejay.. :-) 
<susannas> OB any brothers?
<dec_purve> 65% of the female pop in australia is size 16 or over, and yet only 20% of the fashion market makes clothes for them...it sucks....lingerie and leather are impossible.
<susannas> LOL
<susannas> well its the usual... magazines and porn all show slim women
<Simeon> i have had sex with plenty of plus size gals
<cj-> yes but dec, we've talked about this
<OB_Rox> LOL yes, Susanna, but both of their brothers are gross  LOL
<geejay> i think thats the same statistic for the usa
<cj-> its not that much easier for me to find clothes either
> Simeon, good for you. :-) 
<susannas> ewwww okay friends?  LOL
<OB_Rox> I don't think it's easy for ANY woman to find clothes...
<dec_purve> i know cj.....even small women have the same problem...its as if they expect women to fall into this one stoopid range of sizes to be able to wear clothes.
<OB_Rox> Oh yeah, Susanna
<cj-> simeon took me to this cool clothing place, and nothing fitted me at all... and i'm supposedly the 'right' size?!!?!?
<OB_Rox> check out primalx.com and you'll see ALL our friends
<susannas> single friends?
<OB_Rox> some are single
<cj-> susannas, you beat me to it hahahahaha
<dec_purve> yeh cj is a healthy looking person, right height and weight, and yet even she struggles to find clothes....and sometimes the sizes she has to wear just don't make sense
<Simeon> come on susannas, swingers need love too
<OB_Rox> I find it easiest to shop in "ethnic" stores... if I go to the stores where the Latinas buy clothes, I usually find things that fit and look good
<susannas> I am a swinger
<cj-> lol simeon
<Simeon> right on
<cj-> susanna, on that subject from before.. fashion show for sex clothes?
<cj-> http://www.sharonausten.com/screenplay/downunder2.asp
<cj-> its the 3rd movie (1st one is hot too)
<susannas> cept I am not with a guy so can you actually call yourself a swinger? LMAO
<dec_purve> what is the definition of a swinger?
<dec_purve> if you're single, are you a swinger?
<cj-> susanna, the term for a single woman who swings is 
<cj-> SLUT
<Simeon> i actually want to do a pay site on that very subject,  have a domain set aside for it and everything
<dec_purve> lol cj
<cj-> ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
<susannas> oh oh oh what is that site CJ
<cj-> its sharon austen
<cj-> an australian porn company
<Simeon> i meant the sex clothes thing
<susannas> OHHHHHHHHHHHH yes I am a slut... bi slut
<cj-> but they aren't selling this content yet 
<cj-> isn't it fabulous?!!??!
<cj-> its such good quality, and its got a sex fashion show, and a 'studs afloat' review...
> <-- stick in the mud hetero female. LOL 
<cj-> i don't like their interviews.. they are boring
<OB_Rox> LOL Me too sandra... and married to boot
> Well, gang, it's been two hours.... believe it or not. :-) 
<OB_Rox> wow!
> OB, but your a *bit* kinkier than I am. :-)
<cj-> crap wow
<cj-> lol
> Only found my sub-side a few years ago. 
<geejay> does a niche like group sex need to be marketed to women differently than men?
<dec_purve> so it has....and the filing cabinet never said a word!
<susannas> you know sandra your email thingie?  that we all signed up for? can we mail to it?  so when we have cool urls like this can we mail the group with them?
<cj-> good question geejay.....
<OB_Rox> hahaha sandra, that's only cuz being married I've had time to cultivate my kinks
<dec_purve> i think so, geejay....
> geejay, I'm goint to market it... just not sure how I'll do it. 
> Sus, I can set one up. 
> OB :-) 
<susannas> well it would be cool
<geejay> yeah...something i'm thinking of how to do and other niches too
<OB_Rox> That is a good question...
<cj-> sus, i'll give you the email to contact them...
<susannas> spam each other
<cj-> they'll let you do a review and link to their stuff...
<susannas> do you get content?
<cj-> well, if you just link directly to their movies in a feature
<geejay> like when i submit to link lists with something other than naked men, and its meant for women, how to convince them that it is for women
<cj-> you don't have to serve bandwidth
<cj-> :-)
<OB_Rox> the text, geejay
<geejay> instead of just run of the mill mainstream porn
<cj-> geejay, that's a really good topic...
> The only thing is, I don't want people to stay away from WEN... but I think we can have both WEN and a discussion mailing list. We can post ideas on the list, then discuss them on WEN. 
<susannas> domain/title/where you list
<cj-> i don't know the answer but its a good topic
<cj-> lol
<geejay> hehe
<cj-> good point sandra...
> I'll get it set up. 
<susannas> http://www.adult-sex-club.com/groupsex/   geejay
<cj-> fresh photos content!!!!
> Here's a content challenge... can anyone find me daisychain pics? 
<cj-> lol
<susannas> its a good nich.. it makes big bucks for me... about 200.00 bucks a month on that one site
<susannas> yeah fresh photos I love it but they do alot of threesome
<geejay> very nice
<OB_Rox> So hey...  I'm helping produce a show at wb with heavy.com, a Sabotage News network episode about porn
<susannas> 2 pages and a join... then arles back end... 200.00 a month
<geejay> looks like a ton of content...why not ac gold?
<cj-> wow ob!!!
<susannas> search engine traffic online
<susannas> only
<OB_Rox> Yeah cj, I'm pretty stoked
<OB_Rox> then again, I'm almost hoping it'll be my swan song at WB
<cj-> wow, nice flash...
<susannas> well it was my first adult check...have to have it up one month first... and errmmm I never changed it yet LMAO
<Simeon> heavy rocks!  good for you rox
<cj-> wow rox, we've seen this site.. 
<geejay> gorgeous...you should upgrade it...though AC seems pretty strict lately...I've been getting swatted down on submissions
<cj-> what's the episode gonna be about?
<dec_purve> well thanks for the great chat everyone....it was really nice to meet you all and finally get to know you all a little better.
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> great to meet you, december. :-) 
<susannas> geejay it even has stories and vids.. I will upgrade not to worry
<dec_purve> but its that time for me now, and i really should go.....imagine what the boss would do if she caught me chatting when i am meant to be working lol
<geejay> same here, dec
<OB_Rox> well, SNN is kind of tongue-in-cheek, so it'll be "behind the scenes" of a porn shoot, etc.  We can't show anything, being WB and all... but it'll be fun I hope
> I gotta go, gals. Three hours of IRC and my eyes are about to blur so I can't see a thing. 
<OB_Rox> LOL dec
<OB_Rox> nite Sandra
<OB_Rox> thanx so much
> I'll just go /brb and continue to log, ok? 
<dec_purve> so take care everyone....and you have a great timezone whereever you are...and chat soon
<geejay> i know, i see it, sus, that's why i was surprised it was only regular. Very very nice
<OB_Rox> nite dec
<cj-> awesome ob, can't wait to see it :-)
* dec_purve waves
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<cj-> I'm outa here.. got a nail appointment in an hour :-)
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<OB_Rox> if you get a chance, cj, take a look at it
> afk means away from keyboard
<Simeon> good nite all, i am off to write about female masturbation practices
<cj-> thanks for the chat everyone
<OB_Rox> nite everyone
<cj-> i am atm ob :-)
<xippy> gr8 site ob
> See you all at WEN. :-) 
<susannas> night everyone
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<geejay> nite cj
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<geejay> nite sus
<OB_Rox> xippy are you on heavy or wb?
<geejay> nite everyone 
<OB_Rox> nite geejay
<geejay> whew
<geejay> cool off, OB
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<OB_Rox> LOL geejay
> gotta reboot. 
> See ya on WEN. ... nighters. :-) 
<OB_Rox> bye Sandra
<OB_Rox> nite
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