Session Start: Wed Aug 29 20:33:31 2001
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> Sorry. :( 
<TiBo> Detention for you!
> I laid down to rest my eyes.... and fell asleep. :( 

<TiBo> Hate it when that happens.  
* Sandra` goes to the "bad girl" corner for punishment.
<TiBo> Every room should have a bad girl corner.
<geejay> so susanna, you would have 20 free, 20 avs, and a link list to link the whole lot together on each domain?
> Looks like there's a lot of lag tonight. :( 
<TiBo> Nope.  No lag here.  Just a lot of people resting their eyes.
> LOL
<geejay> this has been one of the few chats where I can actually keep up
<TiBo> Same here.
> LOL 
<TiBo> and ICQ and surf for dedicated servers at the same time.  ;)
> geejay, got your email.... thank you :) 
<susanna> hi Sandra
> TiBo, have you looked at CyberWurx for a server? 
<susanna> Tibo I have had great luck at dynamic
> Hugs, Sus. 
<susanna> yeah  geejay a link list not meant for surfers
<TiBo> I have.  I just feel bad because I've told Chris twice already I was moving over to him and changed my mind both times.
<susanna> but its not hidden either
<susanna> and full page ads between the sites and the link list
<geejay> sandra, knowing my mail servers i should get it in a few hours
<TiBo> Recently I've found:  Webair [still sux!], Clearvertical [pretty much sucks], National Net [is quite good], now I need one more so I can drop the two that suck.
<geejay> susanna, what do you mean, not meant for surfers?
<Validus> http://www.xxxpornhouse.com/temp4/layout_005.jpg
<Validus> any input?
<Validus> ehehe
<geejay> national net is the bomb, just really expensive
<Validus> its work in progress
<TiBo> National Net is not very expensive anymore.
<geejay> blue gravity has worked nicely for me
<susanna> Nat Net is doing one ip per server 
<TiBo> and they still have tremendous service.
> TiBo, they just moved into a totally new facility in a building that's directly connected to the net's backbone. I've noticed an improvement in the way my sites load. :) 
<TiBo> They gave me one central ip to log onto.  The domains are on separate ips though.  Plus since I don't spam engines it wouldn't make much SE difference even if they were 1 ip#.
<TiBo> Sandra`, is your server in St. Louis or Atlanta?
> Atlanta.
<geejay> that's a fancy piece of artwork, validus. quite stylish
<Validus> Gee: cool.. thanks.. ;-)
<Validus> might be able to get the site online by tonight
> Wow.... good work, Validus. 
<Validus> Sandra: you like it? hey? hmm.. thanks..
> Sure do. What did you use to create it? 
> btw, for the graphically challenged, Xara.com has a fantastic updated version of WebStyle. 
<Validus> Photoshop
<Validus> hehe
<Validus> ;-)
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> Really, kewl. :) Now if I could just figure out how to use Photoshop to do something that good. :) 
> Hi, PMGames. 
<PMGames> Hello.  :)
<Validus> something what good?
<Validus> hmm..
> Validus, what you did. 
<Validus> oh
<Validus> hehe
> geejay, are you getting SE traffic to HerPorn? 
<Validus> takes time
<Validus> ;-)
<Validus> practice..
<Validus> some people.. are designers.. and others.. coders.. and so on... I don't code much.. cause.. i am NOT a coder.. ;-)
> Here's my latest effort with Photoshop... http://www.mature-bbw.com/
<PMGames> I don't think I have ever met you Sandra.  :)
<Validus> hmmmm
<Validus> cool
<geejay> some... i tend to get a little google, and I pay for listings at findwhat
> PMGames, did you ever do a chat where you talked to TDavid? 
<PMGames> Yes. . .I did.  :)
> geejay, can you tell us about buying a listing at Findwhat? 
> Okay, I was in that chat.... but glad you decided to join us. :) 
<geejay> sandra, i like the graphics very much on mature-bbw
<PMGames> :)  Thanks.  :)  I am sorry I didn't remember from then.  :)
> Thank you. Hasn't sold one membership, though. I think it's too "pretty" 
<TiBo> I agree.  Lots of good looking graphics flying around tonight.
> I may make anothe tour and try sending traffic to it. 
<geejay> i like findwhat because they have listings at lots of little directories
> Kewl. 
> www.findwhat.com? 
<geejay> and the keywords are cheaper than goto
<geejay> yep...findwhat.com
> Has anyone purchased any keywords at sex.com? I started an account... but never went back to it. So much to do, so little time. 
<PMGames> Sandra. . .what site do you run?  (sorry for the ignorance.)
> geejay, thank you. 
<TiBo> Susanna, What's the URL to dynamic?
<susanna> http://www.dynamichosting.com I think
<geejay> i got a top 5 listing for "erotica" for only 8 cents
> PMGames, I've got tons of sites. My main "claim to fame" is probably Lady Lynx - The first, and if I may say so the biggest, listing of sites for women. 
<susanna> yeah thats it
<susanna> I have to get to sex.com too
> geejay, that's great. :) 
> Sus, with the deal they have for paysite owners, it would be worth it. 
<PMGames> cool stuff.  :))))
<susanna> yeah I know I thought I would do it in Sept
> PMGames, I also do Gold and other AVS sites, have started up three TGP2 sites, will be doing a TGP2 for women next week. 
> geejay, have you submitted all those AV sites to DMOZ? 
* Sandra` pokes the server... I hate lag.
<PMGames> Cool.  :)  We should talk down the line then. . .:)  I just launched a new content site that might have some interest to you.  :)
<susanna> talk now pm
<geejay> i submit every site i make to dmoz. the 4women sites, I've been using the Adult Verifier entrance. The only site I haven't submitted to anyone is HerPorn. That's been living off the internal traffic and the SE i buy
<geejay> I've hesitated to submit that site to anyone, because I want to be completely free to change the entrance, add consoles, or do anything i please without worrying about breaking someone's rules
<PMGames> susanna. . .I just launched a new game content site.  All of the games use exclusive Badpuppy images.  It is targeted for the Gay niche, but none of the women have complained yet that had been beta testers.  :)
> PMGames, come on over to WEN - Women's Erotica Network http://www.womenseroticanetwork.com and post what you have to offer. Lots of people read the board... not all them post, though. 
> geejay, submit it to DMOZ... since I'm the editor of that category, there's no problem. :) 
<PMGames> I am not sure if the domain name for the site will turn off the "for women" webmasters though. . . http://www.GayWebGames.com
> ARGH
<PMGames> Hi TiBo.
> Get another domain and mirror it there, PMGames. :) 
<susanna> cant you mirror it pm?
> gmta
<susanna> SANDRA STOP IT
> LOL
<susanna> LOL
* Sandra` giggles.
<PMGames> lol....I can pull them back into my initial site for linking  www.AdultWebGames.com
<susanna> well it can be pulled into a frame
> Do it, PMGames and we'll talk. :) 
<TiBo> Hey PMGames.  How's things?
<susanna> what is the charge?
<PMGames> TiBo. . .very busy since Internext.
<TiBo> Glad to hear it.
<PMGames> Here is a demo link if you want to give me some feedback:  http://www.gaywebgames.com/temppage.htm
> <-- Loves giving feedback. LOL 
<PMGames> cool. . .I am very open to honest constructive feedback
<PMGames> These are all "first version" games right now. . .we will be going back to put finishing touchs on them.  :)
* Sandra` falls off her chair giggling.... I don't think "Shoot Your Wad" will work for women.... but maybe you could adapt it. LOL
<susanna> yeah 
<susanna> but you can just buy one sandra for 25 a month
<PMGames> lol. .. true. . .lol. . .true. . .lol. . .you got to admit you like it though. . .lol  :)
<susanna> I liked it LOL
<PMGames> lol.
<susanna> you need females with strapons
> I just can't hit anything... I have no experience pointing one of those things and shooting. LOL
<susanna> yeah its kind of floppy LOL
> Or try tossing the condom on the cock. 
<PMGames> lol. . .well. . lol. . .no comment.  ;)
<geejay> LOL
> Did I just say that? LOL 
<PMGames> lol.
<PMGames> I can do that.
> Now that could be funny. 
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> Hi, Tina. Welcome to the chat. 
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<geejay> that was quick
<susanna> LOL
> No cybering, so she left. :) 
<geejay> hey, we get frisky! we always get frisky with Tibo around...:)
<PMGames> lol.
<susanna> yeah its all tibos fault!
> :) 
> PMGames, can any image be used for the Jigsaw puzzle? 
<TiBo> :)
> TiBo, you volunteering an image? LOL 
<TiBo> Nopers.
<geejay> ooohhh ... a Tibo puzzle!
<TiBo> Them camera things steal your soul.
<geejay> awww c'mon
<PMGames> Sandra. . .yes.  You could e-mail me one, and I could have it created in 5 minutes.
<geejay> LOL
<geejay> now that's an interesting proposition
> PMGames, I like the jigsaw game. Would like to set it up so that when you complete the pic you get something... like a secret gallery. 
<TiBo> Actually.  I gotta scat. Sorry if I'm disrupting your mojo.
> PMGames, absolutely kewl. :) 
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<geejay> great talking with you, tibo
<PMGames> Sandra. . .we can set it up to "push" the winner of the game to a preselected page that you can control.  :)
<geejay> gotta be quick around here
> PMGames, Great. Count me in for that one. Is the license just for one domain, or can it be used on several domains? 
<PMGames> I am very flexible. . .I am always looking to create an honest long term win-win relatioship.  We can do just about anything you can think of.  :)
> Great. 
<PMGames> It is not the url's or domains that effect the pricing. . .it is the members, or estimated number of people that will access the games (bandwidth more then anything else).
> So is the game hosted with you, or do I put it on my site? 
> Got it. 
<geejay> can these be used on avs sites?
> geejay, my exact thought. :) 
<PMGames> we can work out either deal.  I have to have a very confortable feeling that the client will not "screw me over" if I allow them to host the game. . .I lose a little control that way.
<PMGames> lol .. .I am noticing I can't spell tonight. . .lol. . .sorry about that. . .I still look at the keys. . ..lol.
> No problem. 
<PMGames> on free and avs sites I have normally setup something were the client hosts those games. . .it is too hard to know how many people will access the games.
<susanna> I have to run gang.. nice talking to you all!
> Night, Sus.... talk to you soon. 
<geejay> night susanna
<PMGames> goodnight
> PMGames, you'll come over and post this info to WEN? 
<geejay> that doesn't sound like a problem to host the games...are they very large?
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<PMGames> geejay. . .depends on the game. . .some of them are 500K
<PMGames> most are around 100-200K
<PMGames> not that big of a deal, unless you have 30,000 user sessions a day on a free site. . .lol.  :)
> Would NEVER give someone on a free site something this good. 
<geejay> in my dreams
<geejay> i'm the turning into a porn scrooge
<geejay> i would only want to use that on premium avs sites
<PMGames> :)  True. . .keeping with the tgp2 idea. . .should keep certain content locked up for members only.  :)
> amen
<PMGames> :)
> <-- still working on the jigsaw puzzle. :) 
<PMGames> Which games would you say would work for "for women" and what ones would not?
> I'm going to have to take some time to look at them. I love the idea of a target game, but it's got to be something from the female point of view. Not sure that shoot tampons would work. LOL 
<geejay> all of em looked good to me, except "shoot you wad", but I love games...
<geejay> do you think there's any profit in xrated CounterStrike?
<PMGames> :)  Thanks.
<PMGames> hhhmmmm.
> Can't put off the hunger pangs anymore.... back in a bit. 
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<PMGames> so would you say that puzzles are definitely something I should keep with?
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> Yes... not I gotta get something to eat or my bloodsugar will plummet. :(
<PMGames> ok.
<geejay> yeah puzzles are good...but though i'm female, i don't often have a typical female point of view... regularly spend 4 hours a day playing counterstrike, quake and other violent games...hehe
<geejay> so all games are good to me. i don't really make a distinction between puzzle vs shoot em up
<geejay> but i have lots of female friends who don't like any game that suggestive of competition...usually the ones with the brothers :(
<geejay> so to conclude...it's not the type of game, its the graphics in the game that will concern me as a webmaster
<geejay> btw, pmgames, were you at the last internext?
<geejay> i just pulled your card out of my convention goodies
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<PMGames> geejay. . .yes I was. . .I had poker chips I handed out all over the place.  :)
<geejay> i was there when that cute asian girl put the chip down her panties
<PMGames> lol. . .by the snackbar area?
<geejay> we got it on tape
<PMGames> Hey. . .I think I remember you!!!  lol.
<geejay> yep...i was the black chick
<PMGames> yes. . .I remember!!!  :)
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<geejay> small world
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> LOL geejay, you got him too excited.LOL
<geejay> so sandra..i still don't have your email
> I just woke up before coming to the chat. :) 
<geejay> doesn't make bluegravity look to good
> Will send you a detailed email after we get done here. :) 
<PMGames> sorry about that. . .I clicked on a link on a differnent page and the script must have called on a different browser, so it decided to take this one, and force it to another page. . ..lol.
<geejay> LOL
> lol
<PMGames> :)
<PMGames> I just posted on the board you sent me to a little while ago.  :)
<geejay> we've been showing that tape from the convention to all our friends...thats why I remember your chips so vividly
<PMGames> lol. . .did you like the idea of the chips as a promotion?
<geejay> yeah, i was just searching though my bag of convention goodies for it....
<Validus> Is there going to be a show tonight?
<PMGames> geejay.  .what sites do you run?
> Show, Validus? 
<PMGames> Validus. . .I think we miss all of the shows tonight already.  :)
<geejay> porno4women.com is my link/top site...herporn.net is my ultra site...the one i want the games for
> They were all cancelled. 
> Everyone is at a convention or something. 
<PMGames> so how well do "for women" sites do on the net?
<geejay> and i got a bunch of 4men AVS sites that could use a another selling point too
> PMGames, I do about a third of my biz with 4women sites. 
<geejay> about the same here
<PMGames> cool. . .I just wasn't too sure if "4 women" sites were a good niche or not. . .just thinking that a man will buy sex on impulse, where I am sure many women would not pull out a credit card as fast.
<geejay> not a lot of surfers, but easier to convert
<geejay> in some ways, women are a lot more comfortable buying with credit cards
<PMGames> hhmm. . that's true if I think about it.
<geejay> before i was a webmaster, i often searched for erotic content on the net,  but couldn't often find anythign that didn't scream "for men only"
<PMGames> q: do you funnel and send any of your "straight male" traffic anywhere?
<geejay> so when the product hits them right, they will whip out plastic in a heartbeat
<PMGames> gee ..good point.
> I have a link on Lady Lynx's front page for the male surfer to click on that takes them to a link list of sites for men. 
<geejay> what i have found is that when i do couples sites for women, i will get some straight male traffic. I built a site kinda like erotic hardcore to see if i could interest that male who wanted somethng sexier than plain hardcore
<PMGames> cool. . .I would only assume that there is some accidental straight male traffic to your sites as well.  :)
<geejay> if not then i send em to an ordinary hardcore sponsor
> I'm converting MaxCash's new 4women site about about 1:125
<PMGames> wow.
> :) 
<geejay> that's great sandra.
> Thanks. They have a really good tour. 
> I convert Women's Porno at about....hmmm, I think about 1:150. 
> So, women will buy if you present them with what they want. 
<PMGames> so. . .should I make the shoot your wad game dissappear, or change it to be something else?  :)
<PMGames> cool.
> Change it to something else. I think it would be *great* for women to let out a bit of pent up anger by shooting guys with pies. :) 
<PMGames> I have a small paysite, but it only converts about 1:1,000 which I can't figure out why.
<geejay> i'm not great with stats, but for about every 500 hits that get to the front door of herporn, i can get 100 to the signup for AdultVerifier. 1:80 of those will signup. And half will recur
<PMGames> wow.  cool.
> Great, geejay.
<PMGames> I have a lot to learn.  :)
> :) 
<geejay> whats the niche PM?
<PMGames> http://www.wetlivesex.com is my paysite.
<PMGames> unfortunately that might be the problem. . .there is no niche. . .it is a mega paysite.
<PMGames> mega in content, and small in actual members. ..lol.  :)
<geejay> dazzling graphics
<geejay> it looks very high end
<PMGames> Thanks. . .I have a college kid in Canada that does all of my graphics work.  He is very inexpensive, and great to work with hand in hand too.
> Great looking site. 
<geejay> really...well very nice. But to be truthful, I suck at mainstream porn. I don't know how to get the traffic, or what to say to them when they get there :(
<PMGames> I am only getting about 300 user sessions a day on it . ..which gives me between 1-3 signups a week. . .lol. . .which is not good.
<PMGames> most of the user sessions are "forced" so it is not quality traffic at all.
<geejay> what do you mean "forced"?
> Then you're doing well, PMG. 
<geejay> talk newbie talk, please
<PMGames> I have free games content that is played on many sites out there. . .when you play the free version of "strip poker" when you lose all of your money the game says "game over" but also a browser pops open and brings you to my paysite.
<geejay> that's very clever...i understand...then you are doing well
<PMGames> I am not sure what is considered "doing well" or not. . .that's probably why I am only getting about 1:1,000 ratios.
<PMGames> I think if the traffic was more targeted that the signups would be awesome.  :)
> I got the jigsaw puzzle done. :) 
<geejay> LOL
<PMGames> lol. . .about time. . .lol  ;)
> :) 
<PMGames> At the end. . .as you can see. . .I can do anything for you. . .like push them to a "Congrats" page that you can setup with that hidden gallery.  :)
> Well, I was trying to chat, eat dinner, and do the puzzle while surfing the sites you all posted. :) 
> I think that would be great. 
<PMGames> lol...ok..ok.  ;)
<geejay> needo
> Does the pic have to be a certain size or ratio? 
<PMGames> The larger the pic the better actually. . .mainly because I can always bring the photo down and maintain quality for the flash. . .but going the oposite direction is bad.  :)
> Makes sense. 
<PMGames> let me ask you this. . .does the interface page you are looking at that has all of the screenshots of the games. . .does that give a "gay" feel or a neutral feel for both gay males and straight women?
<geejay> i thought it was neutral...but you're getting into tricky territory
<geejay> not all women are going to agree on what's "gay" or "straight"
<PMGames> lol. . .I am trying to get is so everything is neutral. . .it is very tough to do. . one wrong look in the eye, or tilt of the head makes it turn "gay" looking.
> Why try? Just mirror. 
<geejay> when i get comments on photos from my friends, it's like opening up the peanut gallery. Everyone's got an opinion and they are all different
<geejay> i hear you...it's a minefield
<geejay> i think you did a great job.
<PMGames> thanks. . .I attempted to get it so it would appeal to both markets.  Badpuppy is great because I have an endless amount of content to pick from to get the right looks.
> Taking a look at the solitare game. 
<PMGames> ok. . .I still have to clean that on up a bit. . .the images could be sharper then they are on it.
> If I were to mirror this site for women, I'd have one couple at the top in place of one of the men. 
<geejay> i'll have to take a look...trying to find men that look "straight" is a pain in the ass. That's one reason I tend to couple pics. If he's making love to a woman, you figure he's at least bi. :)
> The solitare game is great. :) 
> LOL geejay
<geejay> that's all i can hope for these days...bi
<geejay> hehe
<geejay> mainstream's so easy. if the gal is naked. that's good enough. no worries that she might look "lezzie"
<geejay> men are so easy to please...:)
<PMGames> lol.
> <-- No comment. :) 
<PMGames> actually. . .men are turned on even more if she looks straight, but is bi herself.  :)
<geejay> i went to some gay boards looking for marketing ideas, and was surprised to find that gay webmasters are just as finicky and nitpicky as the 4women webmasters.
<PMGames> lol.
> lol
<geejay> yeah, i know...my boyfriends is always nagging me to make lesbian sites
<PMGames> lol.
<PMGames> gee. . .what was your ultra site address again?
<geejay> i read this hours long thread about what makes someone a twink or not a twink...sheesh...content providers must really be at their wits end
<geejay> http://www.herporn.net
<PMGames> lol.
<geejay> i guess when men are naked they are held to a stricter standard than naked women.
<geejay> as viewers we must be reading more into male nudity than female nudity...making more assumptions about the individual
<PMGames> I think there is an automatic assumption that a single naked male photo means the model must be gay. . .funny that I hear a lot of content providers that tell me most of their "gay" models are actually 100% straight, but "gay" pays money.
<geejay> that's really interesting...kinda funny really
<geejay> I think if i say my man in naked pics, doing those poses, i'd think he was gay...LOL
<geejay> it's probably a real art to looking like the marlboro man while naked
<PMGames> lol. . .true. . .what do you do to look straight???  lol. . .as soon as you put your hands on your body you look gay...lol.
> PMG... Note: When a women wins Solitaire it might be a good thing if it didn't say "Hey, Big Boy. You're the Best" LOL
<geejay> exactly...LOL...
<PMGames> lol.  ;)
<PMGames> I would change a lot of that over. . .that is why I wanted to pop in here tonight. . .I am glad you have welcomed me, and are giving me honest feedback.  :)
> We are VERY honest. :) 
<geejay> I have a lot of respect for you in trying to walk the thin line at all.
> Can you make "Free Cell?" 
<geejay> it's quite a tall order to try to please a gay audience and a straight one at the same time.
<PMGames> thanks gee. . . .Free cell. . which game is that?
> It's a PC solitaire game. 
<PMGames> for some reason I am having a mind freeze on that game.
> hee hee hee.... I like XXX Pegs. :) 
<geejay> xxx pegs is cool. 
<geejay> I could spend a lot of times with these games
<geejay> and the eye-candy's nice
<geejay> cool he gets naked-er
<PMGames> :)
<geejay> me like
<PMGames> Yes. . .at 40, 30, 20, and 10 pegs left he take something off for you   :)
<geejay> we will definitely be doing business...now about this xxx counterstrike
> LOL 
<PMGames> lol. .. show me counter strike. . .I personally have never played it yet.
<geejay> yeah, baby, that's what i'm talking about
> I got down to 9 pegs on the first try. :) 
<PMGames> cool.  :)
<geejay> don't get started its a violent time-wasting game that was probably single-handedly responsible for Columbine
<PMGames> I can also setup the games so that if you wanted to give out a small prize once per month or something we can keep track of scores, etc.
<PMGames> gee. . .okay. . .I won't touch it then.
<geejay> oh no way... you can score
<geejay> that is awesome....
> Kewl. 
<geejay> a long time ago i belonged to this BBS that had a game that you could play and kept score for everyone on the BBS. You could only play 10 hands a day, but it was so addictive
<PMGames> lol.
<geejay> you would play your ten hands, and then come back the next day to play more. and the fact that your score was placed against everyone else in the bbs made it really competitve
<PMGames> If you host that game, then the information stays on a text file on your server that no one sees. . .if we serve it, then we can do the same.
<geejay> AWESOME!!!!
> Kewl. 
> Okay, I like Pong as well. Would like to have my choice of pics. 
> :) 
<PMGames> at the end of the month you just look at the text file on ftp, and the top player is the highest scorer. . .send them an e-mail congrats, and then delete the file. . .that makes the high score reset and start over for the next month.  :)
> PMG, this is just the type of thing we need. 
> Keeps them on the site, value added, etc. 
> I need to go. Eyes are really bothering me today. :( 
<PMGames> Sandra.  .that can be done as well. . .some clients have custom photos, or their own content that want us to use instead of the Matrix Content or Badpuppy content we have "automatically"/
> I'm going to leave my nick here to record the rest of the chat, ok? 
> <-- Loves Matrix Content. 
<geejay> night sandra
<PMGames> sure.  :)
<geejay> good talking to you
<geejay> never got your email :(
> geejay, thanks for the email. Will get back to you later tonight. :) 
> <-- been asleep all day and night. :( 
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<PMGames> I am great friends with Norm, Bruce, and jon
> Have a good one.... see you on WEN :-) 
> Nighters. 
<geejay> PM, great talk with you too
<geejay> i'm really glad you came on the board 
<PMGames> thanks for chatting with both of you tonight.  :)
<geejay> and took the time to explain your product
<PMGames> gee. . send me an e-mail and we can chat more at a later time.  :)
<geejay> cuz it is truly AWESOME!!!...did i mention i love games
<PMGames> lol. . .yup. . I think you did.
<geejay> okay...night then
<geejay> :)
<PMGames> games are addictive. . .which helps with retaining members.  :)
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Session Close: Wed Aug 29 23:38:36 2001